Amen Sister! I use to wonder why some very knowledgeable Christians would just stop posting on the RF, but now after several years it makes sense. They get tired of being stuck at the elementary school level and want to move on to tougher questions such as reconciling predestination and free will, or where does faith come from.
I've pretty much seen just about all the sides that can be thought up on this most critical subject of Justification by Faith. But it is either grace or works, Scripture says, not both. If it's grace then it can't be by works because grace would stop being grace. But if it is by works, then you can't bring in grace because then work would not be work. I think Paul - through the Holy Spirit - could not have made it any clearer.
Praise the Lord!
I think the most liberating thing for a Christian is to start from the premise "What does the Bible tell me about this" when looking into any question. The answers are there!
So, now we have a newbie who comes in like gangbusters thinking he's gonna show all us ignorant "Fundies" how an "intellectual" shares the Gospel.
IMHO, here is the problem. They don't believe The Gospel given to us in the Scriptures. The same Gospel we are supposed to take to the entire world. They can't believe The Gospel or the power of their church to be the determinate of their salvation collapses.
They hold to a different gospel in which grace is infused into the believer by their sacramental system and their works.
The Gospel is NOT a difficult thing to understand - even a child grasps its truth. But so many people refuse to accept its simple but powerful truth - that Jesus Christ died to redeem us from our sin and the consequence of eternal death.
AMEN, AMEN, AMEN a thousand times AMEN!
Rom. 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead you will be saved.
We are justified by Faith Alone, no works, no sacramentalism, no legalism, no sola ecclessia, only Faith in Jesus Christ.
ABSOLUTELY INDEED.
Which word of
“used Ktx”
do folks not understand?
Isaiah 64:6
Douay-Rheims Bible
And we are all become as one unclean, and all our justices as the rag of a menstruous woman: and we have all fallen as a leaf, and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
New International Version (©1984)
All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away.
New Living Translation (©2007)
We are all infected and impure with sin. When we display our righteous deeds, they are nothing but filthy rags. Like autumn leaves, we wither and fall, and our sins sweep us away like the wind.
English Standard Version (©2001)
We have all become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous deeds are like a polluted garment. We all fade like a leaf, and our iniquities, like the wind, take us away.
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
For all of us have become like one who is unclean, And all our righteous deeds are like a filthy garment; And all of us wither like a leaf, And our iniquities, like the wind, take us away.
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
GOD’S WORD® Translation (©1995)
We’ve all become unclean, and all our righteous acts are like permanently stained rags. All of us shrivel like leaves, and our sins carry us away like the wind.
King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
American King James Version
But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
American Standard Version
For we are all become as one that is unclean, and all our righteousnesses are as a polluted garment: and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, take us away.
Darby Bible Translation
And we are all become as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all fade as a leaf, and our iniquities, like the wind, have carried us away;
English Revised Version
For we are all become as one that is unclean, and all our righteousnesses are as a polluted garment: and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, take us away.
Webster’s Bible Translation
But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
World English Bible
For we have all become as one who is unclean, and all our righteousness is as a polluted garment: and we all fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, take us away.
Young’s Literal Translation
And we are as unclean — all of us, And as a garment passing away, all our righteous acts; And we fade as a leaf — all of us. And our iniquities as wind do take us away.
Ain’t it great when translators sanitize Scripture! /sarc
That's right...good post.
This is so true. If one can come to an understanding of man's nature (bent towards evil) and understand the nature of God (perfect in all things), then the scriptures are a very easy read. Where it gets complicated is when we try to make God out to be less than what He is or us more perfect that what we are.