To: count-your-change; Cronos
You'll have to be a bit more specific about the connection with the meaning of eikon and charakter.
It was probably the Hebrew 1:3 reference with the others as variations on the theme.
Again, Elizabeth's declaration, in the context of her being the wife of a Jewish priest, that her cousin Mary was the mother of her Lord is a straightforward declaration at the very beginning of the gospel of Luke that Jesus was Immanuel, God with us, Yahweh, the God of Israel born into human flesh, tabernacling, so to speak, amongst his people as a human (John 1) as he had once dwelt amongst them as a presence in and over the tabernacle in the wilderness (Leviticus 16), now become the image of the invisible God (Colossians), the exact representation of his being (Hebrews), God taking on a human body (I Timothy) and, as Jesus said to Philip who asked him to show him the Father, "Dont you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, Show us the Father?. (John14)"
106 posted on
12/12/2011 5:44:09 AM PST by
aruanan
To: aruanan
When you quote:
“... as Jesus said to Philip who asked him to show him the Father, “Dont you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, Show us the Father?. (John14)”
Was Jesus claiming to be the Father, God the Father, Yahweh? The Father in the flesh?
Or did Jesus say he was the son of the Father, one who demonstrated what his father was like? An “eikon” or “charakter”?
As Jesus said back in John 5,
“And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape” (John 5:37) “shape”, “form”, “eidos”, that which the eye perceives.
But I have a question that may be pertinent to Lev. 16 and the Shekinah light:
When Moses approached the burning bush did God speak to Moses or did an angel speak to Moses?
110 posted on
12/12/2011 9:57:29 AM PST by
count-your-change
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