Gay Episcopal Bishop to Preach at San Francisco Catholic Parish

Catholic Culture ^ | 11/22/11

[marshmallow]

A notoriously 'gay-friendly' parish in San Francisco has invited an openly homosexual Episcopalian cleric to lead an Advent Vespers service.

Most Holy Redeemer parish asked Bishop Otis Charles, a retired Episcopalian prelate, to lead the November 30 service. After serving as the Bishop of Utah from 1971 to 1993, he publicly announced that he is homosexual. Divorced from the mother of his 5 children, he solemnized a same-sex union in 2004.

[RnMomof7]

"The mass did not become an official doctrine until pronounced by the Lateran Council of 1215 under the direction of Pope Innocent III," Your posing is an obviously unattributed direct quote from the jesus-is-savior.com website complete with the dangling comma at the end. Compare it to the following I excerpted from that site.

So does that mean it is not true?? Name calling is a nice diversion...IS IT TRUE??

Show me the mass in the NT ...show me the altar..the ritual, the vestments or the priesthood...

BTW JESUS IS SAVIOR

[CynicalBear]

This is getting to be really funny! It’s almost predictable. If a problematic truth to Catholics is posted the likely result is not to refute the information but to attack the messenger. Time after time the fear filled cry is “that quote can be found on a banned site, make them not be able to use it”. It reminds me of the third grader who is constantly running to the teacher.

[CynicalBear]

How about addressing the information? Did or did not the mass become official during the Lateran Council of 1215? Was it or was in not under the direction of Pope Innocent III? Is that information so detrimental you have to obfuscate?

[presently no screen name]

onyx countertops .. big marble table -pasta with salmon and zucchini, or rigatoni with prosciutto. She keeps in touch with the Vatican supermarket and chooses which vegetables to get from the garden of Castel Gandolfo, a papal retreat in the hills south of Rome.

I was led to believe I have more than him. I was going to have him over for a peanut and jelly sandwich.

Monday, November 28, 2011 8:01:08 AM · 772 of 802
MarkBsnr to presently no screen name
The Pope has less money and possessions than you do. Think on that.


It also does not change the fact that the Pope does not have wealth and the heroes and aftermath of the Reformation did and do.

[D-fendr]

Show me the mass in the NT ...show me the altar..the ritual,

Yeah! Everyone knows it looked like this:

[CynicalBear]

What did you think the 5000 that Jesus fed look like? Would you also have made sport of that vast crowd?

[Quix]

This is getting to be really funny! It’s almost predictable. If a problematic truth to Catholics is posted the likely result is not to refute the information but to attack the messenger. Time after time the fear filled cry is “that quote can be found on a banned site, make them not be able to use it”. It reminds me of the third grader who is constantly running to the teacher.

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INDEED.

[D-fendr]

It would take a fallible man to come up with the opinion that I was making sport of a crowd.

[Quix]

It reminds me of the third grader who is constantly running to the teacher.

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INDEED.

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In their cases, usually, they go running to their Ashteroth-Mary-Goddess’ apron strings.

Or maybe fantasize climbing up in her lap with their blinky.

[MarkBsnr]

Maybe you should do some research on the Pope's lifestyle before claiming that he lives in poverty. Here's just a small description of the kitchen in his apartment. Click here for full article

Maybe you should pay attention to what is posted.

I said that the Pope is not wealthy; indeed his possessions are few and I posted an attributed and excerpted passage from JPII's will. If you own a house or car, you have more wealth than he does.

[MarkBsnr]

I was led to believe I have more than him. I was going to have him over for a peanut and jelly sandwich.

Why don't you? The Church's mission is to all who do not know Christ; I'm sure that he would be willing to teach you all about Christ.

[Natural Law]

"Nobody who claims to be a Christian has the permission or privilege, or luxury, to not forgive, including priests."

Who said anything about forgiveness? I was referring to the benefit of the doubt. There is nothing in Christianity that establishes a right to sin with impunity or demands that other Christians pretend is isn't sin.

[D-fendr]

Gimme that ole time religion.

c. 250 AD

[D-fendr]

Gimme that really ole time religion:

Roman Catacomb, c. 150 AD:

Fractio Panis (Latin: Breaking of Bread) is the name given to a fresco in the Greek Chapel (Capella Greca) in the Catacomb of Priscilla, situated on the Via Salaria Nova in Rome. The fresco depicts seven persons at a table, six men and a woman. Like the whole of the decorations of the chapel, the fresco dates from the first half of the 2nd century. The painting is found upon the face of the arch immediately over the altar tomb, upon which the sacrament of the Eucharist was performed.
Wiki

[MarkBsnr]

Perhaps in order to satisfy the anti-Nicea crowd, we are going to have to dust for Constantine’s fingerprints...

[D-fendr]

LOL.

Unfortunately for them, Constantine was not even yet a twinkle in his father’s eyes.

[narses]

[Natural Law]

"So does that mean it is not true??

Absolutely. I'll match your banned website snippets and false factoids with the writings of the Church Fathers any day. As I already pointed out to you in post #748 the initial construct of the modern Catholic Liturgy was documented in the early 1st century in the Didache and more extensively documented in the writings of St. Clement of Rome in the late 1st century. St. Justin Martyr tells us that the basic structure of the Mass was already in place by the year 150.

The term "Mass" is a relatively new term derived from Missa, a code word used by early Christians first recorded by St. Ambrose in the Latin "missam facere coepi".

[Iscool]

congrats rz, there is a rule in religous debates....when one side needs to claim “Constantine” did something, the other side wins!!

Who came up with that rule, Constantine???

[Quix]

Exodus 20:4-6 4 "You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5 You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, 6but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.