Gay Episcopal Bishop to Preach at San Francisco Catholic Parish

Catholic Culture ^ | 11/22/11

[marshmallow]

A notoriously 'gay-friendly' parish in San Francisco has invited an openly homosexual Episcopalian cleric to lead an Advent Vespers service.

Most Holy Redeemer parish asked Bishop Otis Charles, a retired Episcopalian prelate, to lead the November 30 service. After serving as the Bishop of Utah from 1971 to 1993, he publicly announced that he is homosexual. Divorced from the mother of his 5 children, he solemnized a same-sex union in 2004.

[one Lord one faith one baptism]

if Israel is already married to God and the Church is not Israel, how can the Church be the bride of Christ?

is Christ not God?
is Christ a bigamist?

[MarkBsnr]

The position that sola scriptura does not result in individual Protestants with wildly divergent interpretations of scripture while claiming to be infallibly guided by the same Holy Spirit is shown to be false.

[D-fendr]

And thus ends another thread.

To be followed, no doubt, by another thread in which the same posters claim their interpretation of the Holy Scriptures led by their very own Holy Spirit are, yet again, infallible and the true belief of the true Church throughout history.

Oh well...

[Lera]

Can’t be a bigamist if one has died , that is why he came in the flesh and died . The church has not replaced Israel even though there is a lot of Israel in the church.

Isa 54:1 Sing, O barren, thou that didst not bear; break forth into singing, and cry aloud, thou that didst not travail with child: for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife, saith the LORD.
Isa 54:2 Enlarge the place of thy tent, and let them stretch forth the curtains of thine habitations: spare not, lengthen thy cords, and strengthen thy stakes;
Isa 54:3 For thou shalt break forth on the right hand and on the left; and thy seed shall inherit the Gentiles, and make the desolate cities to be inhabited.
Isa 54:4 Fear not; for thou shalt not be ashamed: neither be thou confounded; for thou shalt not be put to shame: for thou shalt forget the shame of thy youth, and shalt not remember the reproach of thy widowhood any more.
Isa 54:5 For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.
Isa 54:6 For the LORD hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy God.
Isa 54:7 For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee.
Isa 54:8 In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith the LORD thy Redeemer.
Isa 54:9 For this is as the waters of Noah unto me: for as I have sworn that the waters of Noah should no more go over the earth; so have I sworn that I would not be wroth with thee, nor rebuke thee.
Isa 54:10 For the mountains shall depart, and the hills be removed; but my kindness shall not depart from thee, neither shall the covenant of my peace be removed, saith the LORD that hath mercy on thee.
Isa 54:11 O thou afflicted, tossed with tempest, and not comforted, behold, I will lay thy stones with fair colours, and lay thy foundations with sapphires.
Isa 54:12 And I will make thy windows of agates, and thy gates of carbuncles, and all thy borders of pleasant stones.
Isa 54:13 And all thy children shall be taught of the LORD; and great shall be the peace of thy children.
Isa 54:14 In righteousness shalt thou be established: thou shalt be far from oppression; for thou shalt not fear: and from terror; for it shall not come near thee.
Isa 54:15 Behold, they shall surely gather together, but not by me: whosoever shall gather together against thee shall fall for thy sake.
Isa 54:16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy.
Isa 54:17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD.

[Rashputin]

So, the Church is not the Bride of Christ which means the Bible is full of either lies or errors. Thanks for clearing that up.

[MarkBsnr]

And thus ends another thread. To be followed, no doubt, by another thread in which the same posters claim their interpretation of the Holy Scriptures led by their very own Holy Spirit are, yet again, infallible and the true belief of the true Church throughout history. Oh well...

Matthew 6:7 But when you pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

[MarkBsnr]

So, the Church is not the Bride of Christ which means the Bible is full of either lies or errors. Thanks for clearing that up.

I'm so grateful for the new Christian diet: it is entirely fact free.

[Lera]

I didn't say that . The church is the bride of Christ . Israel however was married to God before the incarnation.
Deu 32:18 Of the Rock that begat thee thou art unmindful, and hast forgotten God that formed thee. Deu 32:19 And when the LORD saw it, he abhorred them, because of the provoking of his sons, and of his daughters. Deu 32:20 And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith. Deu 32:21 They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.

[Lera]

I didn't say that . The church is the bride of Christ . Israel however was married to God before the incarnation.
Deu 32:18 Of the Rock that begat thee thou art unmindful, and hast forgotten God that formed thee. Deu 32:19 And when the LORD saw it, he abhorred them, because of the provoking of his sons, and of his daughters. Deu 32:20 And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith. Deu 32:21 They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.

[MarkBsnr]

I didn't say that . The church is the bride of Christ . Israel however was married to God before the incarnation.

Does this mean that you are accusing God of being a bigamist? What exactly do you mean by your statement? Your quote from Deuteronomy refers to Israel as sons and daughters, not spouse.

[Iscool]

the natural man can’t understand that the various OT baptisms and John’s baptism are the not the baptism that gives the Holy Spirit spoken of in Ephesians.

So how is your baptism different from John's baptism???

[Iscool]

if Israel is already married to God and the Church is not Israel, how can the Church be the bride of Christ?

How is it that one supposedly committed to and in love with Jesus Christ doesn't even have enough interest to read the words that He provided for his Children???

If you would actually read what God has to say to you, you would know the answer to that question and wouldn't have to ask...

[Iscool]

If you are now posting family pictures, all I can say is, I’m sorry...

[Iscool]

So, the Church is not the Bride of Christ which means the Bible is full of either lies or errors. Thanks for clearing that up

I'll help clear it up for you...It is your Church that is not the Bride of Christ because it is full of lies and errors...

[Lera]

Jer 3:14 Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD; for I am married unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion:

BTW you can't be a bigamist if one has died . That is why he came in the flesh and died .

[Rashputin]

When I've been there ten thousand years,
Bright shining as the sun,
I've no less days to sing God’s praise
Than when I'd first begun.

But you'll still be wrong.

[MarkBsnr]

Jer 3:14 Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD; for I am married unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion:

You may wish to rethink this. Both the NABRE and http://biblelexicon.org/jeremiah/3-14.htm says master, not husband. Whatever translation you are using has this wrong.

BTW you can't be a bigamist if one has died . That is why he came in the flesh and died .

Are you saying that the nation of Israel died when Christ did? Or are you saying that since Christ died and Resurrected, he effectively divorced Israel and married the Church? Neither one makes sense.

You may to revisit the term 'grafted in'.

[daniel1212]

http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/search/label/Blueprint%20For%20Anarchy
http://contra-gentes.blogspot.com/2008/04/doctrinal-chaos-argument-one-of.html
http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/2009/12/special-pleading-of-sola-ecclesia-ists.html
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/markshea/2010/05/patrick-madrid-is-evil.html
http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/2010/07/vicious-circle.html
http://www.the-pope.com/wvat2tec.html
http://www.stpaulsirvine.org/html/TheGreatSchism.htm

[Jvette]

HI, CB:)

I’ve been offline for the last few days. Worked a lot and had some obligations with Church and other groups.

I can only repeat what I have said here before.

What we see in the OT is all a prelude to the fulfillment of God’s promises in the person of Jesus Christ and His story in the NT.

The sacrifice was not THE acceptable sacrifice.
The prophets were mere shadows of THE PROPHET.

And the inauthentic worship shown to Semeramis and her son were exactly that as she was not the true “queen of heaven” and her son not the ONE SAVIOR.

Jesus and His mother are authentic and all honor given to her is due to her Son. HE is truly the light of the world and in now way is HIS light dimmed by the honor and attention given not just to His mother but to all those who hear and obey God’s word.

She is just the foremost of them and has a place unique to her.

[Rashputin]

You better not let this get out. You'll destroy the "Bestselling End Times Rapture Doctrine" industry leaving hundreds of authors and speakers without a topic to generate money from. In addition, the whole Seventh Day Adventist machine will grind to a halt, then collapse along with even the smallest particle of dispensationalism. If all that isn't bad enough, the folks who think they're such special snowflakes that they're going to be evacuated before the real war starts are going to very, very, upset to find out that they might really have to bear a cross rather than just abandoning their clothes and laughing while they fly naked through the solar system.