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Gay Episcopal Bishop to Preach at San Francisco Catholic Parish
Catholic Culture ^ | 11/22/11

Posted on 11/23/2011 11:11:08 AM PST by marshmallow

A notoriously 'gay-friendly' parish in San Francisco has invited an openly homosexual Episcopalian cleric to lead an Advent Vespers service.

Most Holy Redeemer parish asked Bishop Otis Charles, a retired Episcopalian prelate, to lead the November 30 service. After serving as the Bishop of Utah from 1971 to 1993, he publicly announced that he is homosexual. Divorced from the mother of his 5 children, he solemnized a same-sex union in 2004.


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To: Lera
And yet to Catholics HIS BLOOD is not enough to cover all their sins . Who is that denies him if his blood is not enough ?

Oh really? Who told you that? I've never heard s lamer comment from any of you.

I do not go to mass to "get saved." I go to worship Christ my Savior, and be united with him in the Eucharist. Protestants and their altar calls are so much trash as far as I'm concerned. Not only that, they are ugly. Weepy whiney hyperemotionalism saves no one. Your comments do not show any understanding of the Catholic Church at all, so I'll feel free to laugh at your ridiculous attempts to tell me Catholics what we believe about His blood.

By the way, "Who is that denies him if his blood is not enough>" makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Get a grip.

3,041 posted on 12/06/2011 10:59:19 PM PST by Judith Anne (For rhe sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us, and on the whole world.)
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To: Lera; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; count-your-change; ...
Baptism doesn't save because it can't cleanse from sin. Only the shedding of blood can do that.

Hebrews 9:22 Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.

John 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

1 Timothy 2:5-6 5For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all, which is the testimony given at the proper time.

Acts 4:11-13 11 This Jesus is the stone that was rejected by you, the builders, which has become the cornerstone. 12And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."

Acts 3:19-21 19 Repent therefore, and turn again, that your sins may be blotted out, 20that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, and that he may send the Christ appointed for you, Jesus, 21 whom heaven must receive until the time for restoring all the things about which God spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets long ago.

Hmm, no mention of baptism here.....Just repent and be saved. Only through Jesus.

Romans 10:8-10 8But what does it say? "The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart" (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim); 9because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. 11For the Scripture says, "Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame." 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. 13For "everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."

3,042 posted on 12/06/2011 11:43:08 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Judith Anne
Only one sacrifice ...it's been done

Heb 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
Heb 10:13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
Heb 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Heb 10:15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
Heb 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.




Hmmmmm ?
1Co 10:20 But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.


3,043 posted on 12/06/2011 11:46:20 PM PST by Lera
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To: boatbums
Romans 13:14 Rather, clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ, and do not think about how to gratify the desires of the sinful nature.

Galatians 3:26-28 26 You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.

3,044 posted on 12/06/2011 11:51:34 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Lera; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; count-your-change; ...
Hebrews 10:18 18Where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer any offering for sin.

There is no need for any more sacrifice, certainly none repeated daily. Christ sat down at the right hand of God when He was done.

Why Catholicism keeps putting Him back on the cross or altar defies reason and Scripture. It does indeed say that Jesus sacrifice once for all was not enough. His death doesn't have to keep continuing to be effective. It became effective once it was done and He conquered death by rising from the dead.

It wasn't His hanging on the cross and dying that saves, but His death and shed blood. If He's still dying, then it isn't a completed work.

But Jesus CONQUERED sin and death, past tense. He died, His blood was shed. It's a done deal.

3,045 posted on 12/07/2011 12:01:24 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom
Why Catholicism keeps putting Him back on the cross or altar defies reason and Scripture. It does indeed say that Jesus sacrifice once for all was not enough. His death doesn't have to keep continuing to be effective

It is impossible that you learned this from any Catholic school or church. Once again, the falsehood of a manufactured Catholic background reveals itself

3,046 posted on 12/07/2011 12:14:12 AM PST by Judith Anne (For rhe sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us, and on the whole world.)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
Then I think it would follow that baptism in and of itself was not what saved or produced forgiveness since Jesus’ sacrifice did that but rather baptism showed that repentance and changed relationship to God.
3,047 posted on 12/07/2011 12:45:39 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Lera
Don't worry I know who the ROCK is . My foundation is built on the CORNERSTONE .

Dueling verses? I thought that you guys worshiped Paul.

So, we have established that 1 Timothy 3:15 does not exist in your theology. What else of Scripture have you in your wisdom discarded?

I don't need the approval of a church who doesn't know who the ROCK is . I want nothing to do with a church that admits it worships the same deity as the muslims do.

Getting this wrong as well? We say that Muslims have a glimpse of God, however they do not see Him clearly. Same as the children of the Reformation. In their pride and arrogance, they have blurred the vision of God that Jesus Revealed to us. The Muslim blurring parallels the Reformational blurring and they both parallel the Mormon blurring.

I don't bow down to the moon god.

If you hold true to the spirit of the Reformation, you only bow down to the god in the mirror.

3,048 posted on 12/07/2011 5:34:31 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Lera
More on the ROCK

Very good. God is the Creator of all.

Peter is the pebble upon which the Church is Created.

The Church is the foundation and pillar of Truth.

Does YOPIOS give you any other insight?

3,049 posted on 12/07/2011 5:37:20 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: metmom
You trust in baptism and Catholicism to save you. I’ll keep trusting Jesus.

From the paucity of Gospel verses that you refer to, and the repeated repudiation of the words of Jesus and the posting of dueling verses which purportedly mean different than the Gospel message, it would seem not.

3,050 posted on 12/07/2011 5:39:12 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: rzman21
Once again here is the Evangelical idea of salvation:

Here we have another church of one, in the Sunday Room of Sports Theology. Notice the sacred food and beverage.

3,051 posted on 12/07/2011 5:40:54 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: metmom
Catholicism makes getting saved way too complicated.

Jesus commanded us to do many things. Take it up with Him if you dislike the process.

3,052 posted on 12/07/2011 5:42:09 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Judith Anne; metmom
That post is another dead giveaway that you were never Catholic as you claim. No Catholic uses that terminology “...to save you” All Catholics know that Christ is the only Savior.


3,053 posted on 12/07/2011 5:47:20 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: boatbums
After all these years and you need to ask me this question? When a person comes to saving faith in Jesus Christ, it is with a repentant heart that surrenders to the grace and mercy of Almighty God.

That is not evident in the postings of most antiCatholics on this board. What is evident is boasting and arrogance and the substitution of YOPIOS and selected and misinterpreted Paul and Isaiah, for the Gospel of Christ.

It is an intellect/emotional "bowing" of the knee to the sovereignty of Jesus Christ as LORD, God incarnate. So, no, this is not speaking about "works" for salvation one must do before OR even after salvation. The "works" of God, Jesus said, was to believe in him.

The commandments of Jesus go far beyond simple belief. The Sermons are highly illustrative.

Afterward, we walk in newness of life, the new nature, the spirit man, living by faith and doing the works God has prepared for us to do - that he created us to do - by the Spirit but which do not and cannot of themselves save anyone. In fact, these "works" are impossible to do for anyone not already born again.

Ahem; born from above ie baptised.

And your little paragraph here seems quite New Age. Did you mean it that way?

3,054 posted on 12/07/2011 6:31:54 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
someone needs to read Ephesians.

Read it...Also read where Jesus says John baptizes with water and Jesus baptizes with the Holy Ghost...

And hey, here's a third baptism:

1Co 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
1Co 10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;

Imagine that...That's 3 baptisms...How many do you think there are??? Still just one??? Now you are less biblically ignorant than you were...

3,055 posted on 12/07/2011 7:12:55 AM PST by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: boatbums
That is correct. I do not presume the arrogance of that level of declaration.

Yet, you claim membership in the Roman Catholic Church, which, by definition, means you are part of the Church, the one that claims it is the One, True Church established by Jesus Christ at Pentecost.

I don't "claim membership". I was baptized into the Church. It happened to be the Latin branch that my parents attended, but I belong to the Church of Jesus Christ.

The question had to do with saying, "We do not declare that we are the Church". So either you are the Church, or you are not the Church, which is it? Nobody ever said one single person is "a" church, but that each saved person makes up the church.

I am not the Church. There are individuals here who have posted that they (singular) are the church. I am a creature of God; He is the Creator. I do not get the two mixed up.

I have confidence in God. It is the riff raff of the Reformation and their empty promises that I have no confidence in.

Yet, your very own comments repeatedly state you have no confidence that God WILL keep his promises.

You guys keep saying this and I keep correcting you. Please pay attention this time. I have no doubt that God keeps all of His promises. It is man that does not keep them.

It wasn't the "Reformation" that made any of those promises. They come straight from the very Word of God, Holy Scripture, God-breathed, Divinely-inspired Holy Scripture. God assures us of his great and precious promises and only those who feel they must beg and plead for his mercy every day of their lives - after they have already received Christ as Savior and believed on him - are the ones who disprove whatever confidence they say they have.

It is the YOPIOS of the Reformation that has drawn people away from God. The Bible message is baptism, repentence and the confession of sins. Not the arrogance of self declared salvation.

That is your added interpretation, because that is NOT what Jesus said, is it?

Shall we turn to:

John 15: << John 15 >> Douay-Rheims Bible -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1 I AM the true vine; and my Father is the husbandman. 2 Every branch in me, that beareth not fruit, he will take away: and every one that beareth fruit, he will purge it, that it may bring forth more fruit. 3 Now you are clean by reason of the word, which I have spoken to you. 4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abide in the vine, so neither can you, unless you abide in me. 5 I am the vine; you the branches: he that abideth in me, and I in him, the same beareth much fruit: for without me you can do nothing. 6 If any one abide not in me, he shall be cast forth as a branch, and shall wither, and they shall gather him up, and cast him into the fire, and he burneth. 7 If you abide in me, and my words abide in you, you shall ask whatever you will, and it shall be done unto you. 8 In this is my Father glorified; that you bring forth very much fruit, and become my disciples. 9 As the Father hath loved me, I also have loved you. Abide in my love. 10 If you keep my commandments, you shall abide in my love; as I also have kept my Father's commandments, and do abide in his love. 11 These things I have spoken to you, that my joy may be in you, and your joy may be filled.

If you do not keep the Commandments (all of them) of Jesus, you do not abide in Him and you will be cast into the eternal fire. Not my interpretation. Plain Scripture and in agreement with 2000 years of Christianity.

Again, with the adding to the words of God. Here's a hint, WE ARE ALL EVILDOERS, WE HAVE ALL SINNED AND FALL SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD. Whoever does not believe on Jesus Christ will not be saved. Whoever obeys Jesus by receiving him and believing in him, will not be condemned. We are no longer under judgment and condemnation because we have been declared righteous in Christ. We are, I am "found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ—the righteousness that comes from God on the basis of faith." (Philippians 3:9)

I keep posting the plain words of Jesus which are explicit and you post certain passages of Paul which does not explicitly address some of the points that Jesus made. Who is adding to or deleting from the Gospel message now?

So, before you start a rumor that I am in RCIA classes, let me assure you, I have not had a "change of heart". That already happened over forty years ago, and has only grown stronger every day. And that's a GOOD thing.

Me start rumours? Why would I do such a thing?

3,056 posted on 12/07/2011 8:02:40 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: metmom; rzman21

To complete the discussion:

You’ve seen on this thread such divergent interpretations on baptism, the Holy Trinity and Unitarianism, the Eucharist and salvation doctrine divergent enough ( termed “opposite,” and “diametrically opposed, by pastors involved) to split congregations.

The position that sola scriptura does not result in individual Protestants with wildly divergent interpretations of scripture while claiming to be infallibly guided by the same Holy Spirit is shown to be false.


3,057 posted on 12/07/2011 1:15:17 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Lera

what does “ and so all Israel shall be saved” mean?


3,058 posted on 12/07/2011 2:40:04 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: count-your-change

the Bible teaches baptism is the way God chose to have the grace available from the Cross applied to individual souls. it is how we are placed “in Christ”, outside of which there is no salvation. Christians have believed this since Peter preached in Acts2:38.


3,059 posted on 12/07/2011 2:43:54 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: Iscool

Paul taught and Christians have believed for 2,000 years that there is only one baptism.

the natural man can’t understand that the various OT baptisms and John’s baptism are the not the baptism that gives the Holy Spirit spoken of in Ephesians.


3,060 posted on 12/07/2011 2:49:32 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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