Posted on 11/23/2011 11:11:08 AM PST by marshmallow
Oh really? Who told you that? I've never heard s lamer comment from any of you.
I do not go to mass to "get saved." I go to worship Christ my Savior, and be united with him in the Eucharist. Protestants and their altar calls are so much trash as far as I'm concerned. Not only that, they are ugly. Weepy whiney hyperemotionalism saves no one. Your comments do not show any understanding of the Catholic Church at all, so I'll feel free to laugh at your ridiculous attempts to tell me Catholics what we believe about His blood.
By the way, "Who is that denies him if his blood is not enough>" makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Get a grip.
Hebrews 9:22 Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
1 Timothy 2:5-6 5For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all, which is the testimony given at the proper time.
Acts 4:11-13 11 This Jesus is the stone that was rejected by you, the builders, which has become the cornerstone. 12And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."
Acts 3:19-21 19 Repent therefore, and turn again, that your sins may be blotted out, 20that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, and that he may send the Christ appointed for you, Jesus, 21 whom heaven must receive until the time for restoring all the things about which God spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets long ago.
Hmm, no mention of baptism here.....Just repent and be saved. Only through Jesus.
Romans 10:8-10 8But what does it say? "The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart" (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim); 9because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. 11For the Scripture says, "Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame." 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. 13For "everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."
Galatians 3:26-28 26 You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.
There is no need for any more sacrifice, certainly none repeated daily. Christ sat down at the right hand of God when He was done.
Why Catholicism keeps putting Him back on the cross or altar defies reason and Scripture. It does indeed say that Jesus sacrifice once for all was not enough. His death doesn't have to keep continuing to be effective. It became effective once it was done and He conquered death by rising from the dead.
It wasn't His hanging on the cross and dying that saves, but His death and shed blood. If He's still dying, then it isn't a completed work.
But Jesus CONQUERED sin and death, past tense. He died, His blood was shed. It's a done deal.
It is impossible that you learned this from any Catholic school or church. Once again, the falsehood of a manufactured Catholic background reveals itself
Dueling verses? I thought that you guys worshiped Paul.
So, we have established that 1 Timothy 3:15 does not exist in your theology. What else of Scripture have you in your wisdom discarded?
I don't need the approval of a church who doesn't know who the ROCK is . I want nothing to do with a church that admits it worships the same deity as the muslims do.
Getting this wrong as well? We say that Muslims have a glimpse of God, however they do not see Him clearly. Same as the children of the Reformation. In their pride and arrogance, they have blurred the vision of God that Jesus Revealed to us. The Muslim blurring parallels the Reformational blurring and they both parallel the Mormon blurring.
I don't bow down to the moon god.
If you hold true to the spirit of the Reformation, you only bow down to the god in the mirror.
Very good. God is the Creator of all.
Peter is the pebble upon which the Church is Created.
The Church is the foundation and pillar of Truth.
Does YOPIOS give you any other insight?
From the paucity of Gospel verses that you refer to, and the repeated repudiation of the words of Jesus and the posting of dueling verses which purportedly mean different than the Gospel message, it would seem not.
Here we have another church of one, in the Sunday Room of Sports Theology. Notice the sacred food and beverage.
Jesus commanded us to do many things. Take it up with Him if you dislike the process.
That is not evident in the postings of most antiCatholics on this board. What is evident is boasting and arrogance and the substitution of YOPIOS and selected and misinterpreted Paul and Isaiah, for the Gospel of Christ.
It is an intellect/emotional "bowing" of the knee to the sovereignty of Jesus Christ as LORD, God incarnate. So, no, this is not speaking about "works" for salvation one must do before OR even after salvation. The "works" of God, Jesus said, was to believe in him.
The commandments of Jesus go far beyond simple belief. The Sermons are highly illustrative.
Afterward, we walk in newness of life, the new nature, the spirit man, living by faith and doing the works God has prepared for us to do - that he created us to do - by the Spirit but which do not and cannot of themselves save anyone. In fact, these "works" are impossible to do for anyone not already born again.
Ahem; born from above ie baptised.
And your little paragraph here seems quite New Age. Did you mean it that way?
Read it...Also read where Jesus says John baptizes with water and Jesus baptizes with the Holy Ghost...
And hey, here's a third baptism:
1Co 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
1Co 10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
Imagine that...That's 3 baptisms...How many do you think there are??? Still just one??? Now you are less biblically ignorant than you were...
Yet, you claim membership in the Roman Catholic Church, which, by definition, means you are part of the Church, the one that claims it is the One, True Church established by Jesus Christ at Pentecost.
I don't "claim membership". I was baptized into the Church. It happened to be the Latin branch that my parents attended, but I belong to the Church of Jesus Christ.
The question had to do with saying, "We do not declare that we are the Church". So either you are the Church, or you are not the Church, which is it? Nobody ever said one single person is "a" church, but that each saved person makes up the church.
I am not the Church. There are individuals here who have posted that they (singular) are the church. I am a creature of God; He is the Creator. I do not get the two mixed up.
I have confidence in God. It is the riff raff of the Reformation and their empty promises that I have no confidence in.
Yet, your very own comments repeatedly state you have no confidence that God WILL keep his promises.
You guys keep saying this and I keep correcting you. Please pay attention this time. I have no doubt that God keeps all of His promises. It is man that does not keep them.
It wasn't the "Reformation" that made any of those promises. They come straight from the very Word of God, Holy Scripture, God-breathed, Divinely-inspired Holy Scripture. God assures us of his great and precious promises and only those who feel they must beg and plead for his mercy every day of their lives - after they have already received Christ as Savior and believed on him - are the ones who disprove whatever confidence they say they have.
It is the YOPIOS of the Reformation that has drawn people away from God. The Bible message is baptism, repentence and the confession of sins. Not the arrogance of self declared salvation.
That is your added interpretation, because that is NOT what Jesus said, is it?
Shall we turn to:
John 15: << John 15 >> Douay-Rheims Bible -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1 I AM the true vine; and my Father is the husbandman. 2 Every branch in me, that beareth not fruit, he will take away: and every one that beareth fruit, he will purge it, that it may bring forth more fruit. 3 Now you are clean by reason of the word, which I have spoken to you. 4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abide in the vine, so neither can you, unless you abide in me. 5 I am the vine; you the branches: he that abideth in me, and I in him, the same beareth much fruit: for without me you can do nothing. 6 If any one abide not in me, he shall be cast forth as a branch, and shall wither, and they shall gather him up, and cast him into the fire, and he burneth. 7 If you abide in me, and my words abide in you, you shall ask whatever you will, and it shall be done unto you. 8 In this is my Father glorified; that you bring forth very much fruit, and become my disciples. 9 As the Father hath loved me, I also have loved you. Abide in my love. 10 If you keep my commandments, you shall abide in my love; as I also have kept my Father's commandments, and do abide in his love. 11 These things I have spoken to you, that my joy may be in you, and your joy may be filled.
If you do not keep the Commandments (all of them) of Jesus, you do not abide in Him and you will be cast into the eternal fire. Not my interpretation. Plain Scripture and in agreement with 2000 years of Christianity.
Again, with the adding to the words of God. Here's a hint, WE ARE ALL EVILDOERS, WE HAVE ALL SINNED AND FALL SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD. Whoever does not believe on Jesus Christ will not be saved. Whoever obeys Jesus by receiving him and believing in him, will not be condemned. We are no longer under judgment and condemnation because we have been declared righteous in Christ. We are, I am "found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ—the righteousness that comes from God on the basis of faith." (Philippians 3:9)
I keep posting the plain words of Jesus which are explicit and you post certain passages of Paul which does not explicitly address some of the points that Jesus made. Who is adding to or deleting from the Gospel message now?
So, before you start a rumor that I am in RCIA classes, let me assure you, I have not had a "change of heart". That already happened over forty years ago, and has only grown stronger every day. And that's a GOOD thing.
Me start rumours? Why would I do such a thing?
To complete the discussion:
You’ve seen on this thread such divergent interpretations on baptism, the Holy Trinity and Unitarianism, the Eucharist and salvation doctrine divergent enough ( termed “opposite,” and “diametrically opposed, by pastors involved) to split congregations.
The position that sola scriptura does not result in individual Protestants with wildly divergent interpretations of scripture while claiming to be infallibly guided by the same Holy Spirit is shown to be false.
what does “ and so all Israel shall be saved” mean?
the Bible teaches baptism is the way God chose to have the grace available from the Cross applied to individual souls. it is how we are placed “in Christ”, outside of which there is no salvation. Christians have believed this since Peter preached in Acts2:38.
Paul taught and Christians have believed for 2,000 years that there is only one baptism.
the natural man can’t understand that the various OT baptisms and John’s baptism are the not the baptism that gives the Holy Spirit spoken of in Ephesians.
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