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Gay Episcopal Bishop to Preach at San Francisco Catholic Parish
Catholic Culture ^ | 11/22/11

Posted on 11/23/2011 11:11:08 AM PST by marshmallow

A notoriously 'gay-friendly' parish in San Francisco has invited an openly homosexual Episcopalian cleric to lead an Advent Vespers service.

Most Holy Redeemer parish asked Bishop Otis Charles, a retired Episcopalian prelate, to lead the November 30 service. After serving as the Bishop of Utah from 1971 to 1993, he publicly announced that he is homosexual. Divorced from the mother of his 5 children, he solemnized a same-sex union in 2004.


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Mainline Protestant; Moral Issues
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To: MarkBsnr; Amityschild; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; HossB86; ...
That's not what Jesus says.

From the LIVING WORD OF THE LORD JESUS THE CHRIST:

New International Version (©1984)
for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."

New Living Translation (©2007)
For "Everyone who calls on the name of the LORD will be saved."

English Standard Version (©2001)
For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

International Standard Version (©2008)
"Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."

Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
“For everyone who will call the name of THE LORD JEHOVAH shall be saved.”

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
So then, "Whoever calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

American King James Version
For whoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

American Standard Version
for, Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Bible in Basic English
Because, Whoever will give worship to the name of the Lord will get salvation.

Douay-Rheims Bible
For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord, shall be saved.

Darby Bible Translation
For every one whosoever, who shall call on the name of the Lord, shall be saved.

English Revised Version
for, Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Webster's Bible Translation
For whoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Weymouth New Testament
For "every one, without exception, who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved."

World English Bible
For, "Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved."

Young's Literal Translation
for every one -- whoever shall call upon the name of the Lord, he shall be saved.'


2,901 posted on 12/05/2011 8:25:32 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: MarkBsnr; Quix; rzman21; D-fendr; metmom; boatbums; RnMomof7; smvoice; Iscool; CynicalBear

Mark, all things work together for good for those that love the Lord.

I thank God that the phony catholics post.

why? because it allows real Catholics to proclaim the truth of the Faith once delivered to the saints.

it probably is the first time many people have actually heard what the historical, Biblical and orthodox Faith is.


2,902 posted on 12/05/2011 8:29:49 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: Quix

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that said to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven.

There are conditions on God’s promise. There are conditions on the inheritance. There are conditions on salvation.

Unless you think that Paul trumps Jesus. Unless you think that Paul is the Messiah and Jesus only pointed the way to Paul. Unless you think that Jesus is irrelevant to the Gentiles. Unless you think that the Son of God is only second rate compared to the writings of Paul.


2,903 posted on 12/05/2011 8:32:33 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
Mark, all things work together for good for those that love the Lord.

It does seem rather conclusive.

I thank God that the phony catholics post. why? because it allows real Catholics to proclaim the truth of the Faith once delivered to the saints. it probably is the first time many people have actually heard what the historical, Biblical and orthodox Faith is.

We are in agreement, my friend.

2,904 posted on 12/05/2011 8:34:18 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr; Quix

everyone should read Acts 22:16 to see when we call on the name of the Lord.


2,905 posted on 12/05/2011 8:34:50 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: Quix

2,906 posted on 12/05/2011 8:35:26 PM PST by narses
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To: narses
Exodus 20:4-6 4 "You shall NOT make for yourself
a carved image,
or any likeness
of anything
that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5 You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, 6but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.
2,907 posted on 12/05/2011 8:37:30 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
everyone should read Acts 22:16 to see when we call on the name of the Lord.

A condition!!! You must be baptized!!!

But wait!!! Does that mean that the Protestants are no longer allowed to self declare their own salvation?

2,908 posted on 12/05/2011 8:38:45 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr
How long will that last, do you suppose?

For those whose religion is based on being ex-Catholic? As long as there's a rebellious bone in their body.

As you noted, they've been re-catechized on the key points over and over again on these threads and still persist in false nonsense claiming to be Catholic teaching. The only thing new we occasionally see is a different snippet claiming to prove it.

I miss the Protestants who actually knew much of what the Church teaches, believed in something not just because it wasn't Catholic, and who knew and could explain why.

2,909 posted on 12/05/2011 8:39:01 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Quix

2,910 posted on 12/05/2011 8:39:53 PM PST by narses
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To: narses

With many of our separated brethren, it is not about what is right, it is about who is right. The god in the mirror is obviously right, no matter what silly idea arises.


2,911 posted on 12/05/2011 8:40:00 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: narses
Leviticus 26:1 "'Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred ...
"'Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred stone for yourselves, and do not place a carved stone in your land to bow down before it....

2,912 posted on 12/05/2011 8:44:40 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: D-fendr; MarkBsnr; rzman21; Quix; metmom; CynicalBear; smvoice; Iscool; boatbums; RnMomof7

D,

i agree. it would actually be interesting and educational to converse with non-Catholics who actually understand Catholic doctrine and Church history.

all we seem to get on this board are phonies, know nothings, cultists, and “untruth” tellers.

surely there must be one non-Catholic that understands what baptism is.
i guess no Lutherans or Anglicans post here.


2,913 posted on 12/05/2011 8:45:26 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

They used to. And some quite knowledgeable Baptists. Occasionally interesting discussions would break out for long periods...

They’ve left for pretty obvious reasons. There was more self - policing back then I think. The new rules have had good and bad results.


2,914 posted on 12/05/2011 8:53:16 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Quix

My soul magnifies the Lord,
And my spirit rejoices in God my Savior.
For He has regarded the low estate of His handmaiden,
For behold, henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
For He who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is His name. And His mercy is on those who fear Him from generation to generation.
He has shown strength with His arm:
He has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
He has put down the mighty from their thrones,
and exalted those of low degree.
He has filled the hungry with good things;
and the rich He has sent empty away.
He has helped His servant Israel, in remembrance of His mercy;
As He spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to His posterity forever.

Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit.
As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, world without end. Amen

Magníficat ánima mea Dóminum,
et exsultávit spíritus meus
in Deo salvatóre meo,
quia respéxit humilitátem
ancíllæ suæ.

Ecce enim ex hoc beátam
me dicent omnes generatiónes,
quia fecit mihi magna,
qui potens est,
et sanctum nomen eius,
et misericórdia eius in progénies
et progénies timéntibus eum.
Fecit poténtiam in bráchio suo,
dispérsit supérbos mente cordis sui;
depósuit poténtes de sede
et exaltávit húmiles.
Esuriéntes implévit bonis
et dívites dimísit inánes.
Suscépit Ísrael púerum suum,
recordátus misericórdiæ,
sicut locútus est ad patres nostros,
Ábraham et sémini eius in sæcula.

Glória Patri et Fílio
et Spirítui Sancto.
Sicut erat in princípio,
et nunc et semper,
et in sæcula sæculórum.

Amen.

She became the Mother of God, in which work so many and such great good things are bestowed on her as pass man’s understanding. For on this there follows all honor, all blessedness, and her unique place in the whole of mankind, among which she has no equal, namely, that she had a child by the Father in heaven, and such a Child . . . Hence men have crowded all her glory into a single word, calling her the Mother of God . . . None can say of her nor announce to her greater things, even though he had as many tongues as the earth possesses flowers and blades of grass: the sky, stars; and the sea, grains of sand. It needs to be pondered in the heart what it means to be the Mother of God.

(Commentary on the Magnificat, 1521; in Luther’s Works, Pelikan et al, vol. 21, 326)


2,915 posted on 12/05/2011 9:46:17 PM PST by narses
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To: narses

This magnificat is so joyful...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3O_cV4bxRk


2,916 posted on 12/05/2011 9:51:44 PM PST by Judith Anne (For rhe sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us, and on the whole world.)
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To: metmom; D-fendr; MarkBsnr; narses; one Lord one faith one baptism

Metmom: And a thread by the now banned and likely retreaded Christian Capitalist? Likewise.......post #2850

Does anyone have any idea who metmom is talking about here?


2,917 posted on 12/05/2011 10:06:50 PM PST by Judith Anne (For rhe sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us, and on the whole world.)
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To: MarkBsnr
We Catholics bow our heads (literally) and we plead for mercy from Him. We do not declare that we are the Church and we get to declare our own salvation. Now, that is pride. I'd like to see that when they offer that up to the King of Kings.

Bowing the head and/or the knees is NOT what God requires for salvation. It MUST be the emotional and intellectual equivalent of doing so that God wants and, only then, is the physical act accepted. By confessing with our mouths that Jesus is Lord and believing in our hearts that God raised him from the dead is what God says saves us. One who has done so can be assured of eternal life and to continue to beg and plead for God's mercy to save us after he has already done so is demonstrating a lack of faith not a humble faith.

When you say "We do not declare that we are the Church", are you speaking as an individual or as a member of a Church that most certainly DOES declare that "we, and ONLY we, are the Church". What you label as "pride" only appears so to those who do not have confidence in the promises of God. In fact, I think it is MORE prideful to think I must still do more to earn my salvation. When we come to saving faith in Jesus Christ we leave ALL pride at the foot of the cross because we can do nothing of ourselves to merit the unspeakable gift of God's grace. God gives us the choice, believe and be saved or reject the gift and be damned. Those who do not believe are condemned already, Jesus said. Those who believe are NOT condemned, he also proclaimed.

2,918 posted on 12/05/2011 10:11:53 PM PST by boatbums ( Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us. Titus 3:5)
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To: daniel1212
Excellent work, as usual. Thank you. I appreciate all the careful and well-reasoned, as well as Scriptural, effort you take in your responses. It shows, to me, a person who takes dialog on a religion forum thread seriously, knowing that peoples' very souls are at stake. I have been avoiding this thread for a few days because of how dank and septic the atmosphere had become. I thank God that you as well as some others refuse to contribute to that toxic attitude and continue to speak up as you are led by God. Praise his wonderful name!
2,919 posted on 12/05/2011 10:25:50 PM PST by boatbums ( Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us. Titus 3:5)
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To: Judith Anne; metmom
Does anyone have any idea who metmom is talking about here?

No, I don't. I do have a theory why s/he was singled out however.

In my list of threads were 17 links. 16 were by nonCatholics, most of whom are well known here. One was by a Catholic and the other by a Calvinist whose account has been banned.

Of the 17 links described above, fifteen of the sixteen by nonCatholics were ignored and two were singled out for comment, thus:

" a hit piece on Calvin by a Catholic… And a thread by the now banned and likely retreaded Christian Capitalist?
Methinks the mystery is solved!
2,920 posted on 12/05/2011 10:35:38 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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