Posted on 11/23/2011 11:11:08 AM PST by marshmallow
Too many Roman Catholics receive virtually no catechesis and don’t learn the faith.
Yup, just me and Him. He's the only one I answer to.
Exactly. The archetype Protestant is Denethor in Lord of the Rings. Very perceptive.
Revivalism gave birth to Mormonism, JWs, Christian Science, etc.
On this, the 2nd Sunday of Advent, with the new liturgy, the liberals are vewwwy qwiet and vewwwy docile. I believe that they sense that the Protestantization of the Latin Church is over.
You mean the Gnostic Church?
You are half right.
There is only one God and He guides the Catholic Church.
You don’t know the first thing about Christianity let alone paganism.
Actually, considering the long history of immorality and corruption of the Catholic church and popes and clergy, I’d have to conclude that the gates of hell have prevailed against the Catholic church as a whole.
And the Episcopalian and any other denomination which has compromised the Word of God and moral issues, like homosexuality.
It’s good that the true church is the body of believers of all time and not a denomination.
Yeah. I never said that Christ was legally bound to save me.
I guess all you ever look for is evil. I see a lot of good and holy priests who live their faith, and not just evil.
If evil is all you ever look for. That is all you ever will find.
Your attitude is that of a Donatist, suggesting that the true Church only consists of the saints.
Donatism was the error taught by Donatus, bishop of Casae Nigrae that the effectiveness of the sacraments depends on the moral character of the minister. In other words, if a minister who was involved in a serious enough sin were to baptize a person, that baptism would be considered invalid.
http://carm.org/donatism
As Christ intended knowing what would happen to organized religion.
Christians are able to harmonize all Scripture in a coherent fashion.
so you think Acts 16:30 teaches believing on the Lord Jesus Christ saves not only the person believing, but also their household?
that’s what the verse says, but is your conclusion correct?
NO!
obviously Paul had more to say on the Gospel and must have explained he and his family must be baptized for the remission of sins for we read in v32 he preached to them and v33 BAPTIZED them.
Luke already made clear to anyone reading Acts in 2:38 baptism is for the remission of sins.
NO WHERE DOES THE BIBLE TEACH THAT BAPTISM IS DONE OUT OF OBEDIENCE OR FOR AN OUTWARD DISPLAY.
notice, no Scripture is ever provided to back claims like this up, it is accepted on TRADITION OF MEN FROM THE 16TH CENTURY.
finally you claim NO ONE CAN DENY baptism is a work of righteouness or something we have done.
CHRISTIANITY FOR 2,000 YEARS HAS DENIED THIS.
BAPTISM IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO, YOU CAN’T BAPTIZE YOURSELF. THE HOLY SPIRIT BAPTIZES YOU BY THE CHURCH.
A “work” is something YOU DO ( giving to the poor, feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, helping an old lady across the street, excercising faith, etc )
these are examples of “works” in the Bible.
now, watch this, Baptism is the work of the Holy Spirit, thru the Church.
IT IS DONE TO YOU, NOT BY YOU.
LET’S REPEAT THAT, BAPTISM IS DONE TO YOU, NOT BY YOU.
1 Peter tells us baptism saves us and Titus 3 tells us we are not saved by works of righteouness,.
So by the Bible’s defintion of “ works of righteousness”, Baptism is not one.
Of course, this has been orthodox Christian doctrine for 2,000 years, and the fact some departed from the Faith in the 16th century, doesn’t make it less Biblical or less true.
finally, i see we are back to using the unbiblical phrase “ water baptism”
can you show me anywhere in the NT where “baptism” is called “water baptism”?
That farcical smug assumption probably never was true in y'all's entire 1600 year history.
It's certainly not true in this era.
God likely has some involvement in scatterd small Charismatic groups in the RCC here and there. That's about as charitable as one could be on such scores.
The Anabaptists were the first Christians to deny the efficacy of baptism.
Luther’s teaching on baptism was identical to the Catholic/Orthodox teaching.
1 Corinthians 5 1It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that is not tolerated even among pagans, for a man has his father’s wife. 2And you are arrogant! Ought you not rather to mourn? Let him who has done this be removed from among you.
3For though absent in body, I am present in spirit; and as if present, I have already pronounced judgment on the one who did such a thing. 4When you are assembled in the name of the Lord Jesus and my spirit is present, with the power of our Lord Jesus, 5you are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord.
6 Your boasting is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump? 7Cleanse out the old leaven that you may be a new lump, as you really are unleavened. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. 8Let us therefore celebrate the festival, not with the old leaven, the leaven of malice and evil, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
9I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world.
11But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. 12For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? 13God judges those outside. "Purge the evil person from among you."
Yes there are a great many sinners and hypocrites in the Church.
But there’s always room for one more.
My attitude is that of God's That's what HE tells us in Scripture.
the idea that the church is a building or denomination defined by a hierarchy and rituals and rules and regulations is a construct of man.
Thus defined as those who believe what you believe, correct?
Scripture means whatever Metmom wants it to. So you are agreeing that you are a Donatist.
Do a search on “queen of heaven mother of gods”. Learn who Nimrod, Semiramis and Tammuz were. God talks about them in the Old Testament.
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