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To: CynicalBear; metmom; smvoice; Iscool; rzman21; MarkBsnr; boatbums; RnMomof7

Christians are able to harmonize all Scripture in a coherent fashion.

so you think Acts 16:30 teaches believing on the Lord Jesus Christ saves not only the person believing, but also their household?
that’s what the verse says, but is your conclusion correct?

NO!

obviously Paul had more to say on the Gospel and must have explained he and his family must be baptized for the remission of sins for we read in v32 he preached to them and v33 BAPTIZED them.
Luke already made clear to anyone reading Acts in 2:38 baptism is for the remission of sins.
NO WHERE DOES THE BIBLE TEACH THAT BAPTISM IS DONE OUT OF OBEDIENCE OR FOR AN OUTWARD DISPLAY.
notice, no Scripture is ever provided to back claims like this up, it is accepted on TRADITION OF MEN FROM THE 16TH CENTURY.

finally you claim NO ONE CAN DENY baptism is a work of righteouness or something we have done.

CHRISTIANITY FOR 2,000 YEARS HAS DENIED THIS.

BAPTISM IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO, YOU CAN’T BAPTIZE YOURSELF. THE HOLY SPIRIT BAPTIZES YOU BY THE CHURCH.

A “work” is something YOU DO ( giving to the poor, feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, helping an old lady across the street, excercising faith, etc )
these are examples of “works” in the Bible.

now, watch this, Baptism is the work of the Holy Spirit, thru the Church.

IT IS DONE TO YOU, NOT BY YOU.

LET’S REPEAT THAT, BAPTISM IS DONE TO YOU, NOT BY YOU.

1 Peter tells us baptism saves us and Titus 3 tells us we are not saved by works of righteouness,.

So by the Bible’s defintion of “ works of righteousness”, Baptism is not one.

Of course, this has been orthodox Christian doctrine for 2,000 years, and the fact some departed from the Faith in the 16th century, doesn’t make it less Biblical or less true.

finally, i see we are back to using the unbiblical phrase “ water baptism”
can you show me anywhere in the NT where “baptism” is called “water baptism”?


2,692 posted on 12/04/2011 7:09:15 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

The Anabaptists were the first Christians to deny the efficacy of baptism.

Luther’s teaching on baptism was identical to the Catholic/Orthodox teaching.


2,694 posted on 12/04/2011 7:13:24 PM PST by rzman21
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>> baptism is for the remission of sins.<<

Yeah, like a person is wanted for murder so that he can commit murder. That’s the way Catholics look at it right? Besides the word translated “for” actually means more “because of” just like the guy wanted for murder is “because” he committed murder. LOL

>> A “work” is something YOU DO ( giving to the poor, feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, helping an old lady across the street, excercising faith, etc ) these are examples of “works” in the Bible.<<

So that’s what Jesus meant here?:

“Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.” John 6:28-29

2,711 posted on 12/04/2011 7:34:45 PM PST by CynicalBear
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