Posted on 11/23/2011 11:11:08 AM PST by marshmallow
A notoriously 'gay-friendly' parish in San Francisco has invited an openly homosexual Episcopalian cleric to lead an Advent Vespers service.
Most Holy Redeemer parish asked Bishop Otis Charles, a retired Episcopalian prelate, to lead the November 30 service. After serving as the Bishop of Utah from 1971 to 1993, he publicly announced that he is homosexual. Divorced from the mother of his 5 children, he solemnized a same-sex union in 2004.
If we look historically we see that individual bishops/elders held councils that decided things like canonical books and rules for the "priesthood"... The church held an independence for more than 300 years until Rome decided it had complete authority and wielded the sword to prove it..
Just point me to the INFALLIBLE Commentary of the entire bible by the INFALLIBLE teaching arm of the church the magistrum ... then i will know that all those RC teachers, and writers are not just giving their personal opinion..
Of course, some have to see the early Church looking like the cornucopia of beliefs in “independent” churches today.
St. Paul would have none of that. Both Holy Scripture and history testify against it.
Whatever you or another see as doctrine, the canon, whatever, it really all comes down to authority.
Either Christ established His Church with a hierarchy and authority as we see in Holy Scripture and continuing throughout history thereafter; or, He left it up to each individual’s authority - which we do not see in Scripture or anywhere in Christianity - until modern times.
Evidently y'all are still suffering under the delusion that THE BODY OF CHRIST UNIVERSAL
has
ANY overlap of any significant degree whatsoever
with the Vatican Ashteroth-Mary-Goddess cult.
How do you know that YOUR doctrine IS the Nt church doctrine??
What's the difference between a real nun and a fake nun? Are you saying the nuns today are fake and that has been on ongoing issue also in the catholic church?
Because it is the same Faith that Christ established His Church to protect and transmit with Himself as the head of His Church, the pillar and foundation of Truth. One faith, One baptism, One Church, Holy Catholic and Apostolic... all according to how Our Saviour meant us to be: from Christ through His apostles and their successors to today.
I recognize it in Holy Scripture, in the first century catacombs, the writings of the early martyrs, the Cappadocian Fathers, St. John Damascene, St John Chrysostom, the Doctors of the Church in the Middle Ages, St. John OTC, John Cardinal Henry Newman, Pope John XXIII, Pope John Paul II, Pope Benedict, and in the Mass and liturgy of today...
My soul magnifies the Lord,
And my spirit rejoices in God my Savior.
For He has regarded the low estate of His handmaiden,
For behold, henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
For He who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is His name. And His mercy is on those who fear Him from generation to generation.
He has shown strength with His arm:
He has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
He has put down the mighty from their thrones,
and exalted those of low degree.
He has filled the hungry with good things;
and the rich He has sent empty away.
He has helped His servant Israel, in remembrance of His mercy;
As He spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to His posterity forever.
Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit.
As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, world without end. Amen
Magníficat ánima mea Dóminum,
et exsultávit spíritus meus
in Deo salvatóre meo,
quia respéxit humilitátem
ancíllæ suæ.
Ecce enim ex hoc beátam
me dicent omnes generatiónes,
quia fecit mihi magna,
qui potens est,
et sanctum nomen eius,
et misericórdia eius in progénies
et progénies timéntibus eum.
Fecit poténtiam in bráchio suo,
dispérsit supérbos mente cordis sui;
depósuit poténtes de sede
et exaltávit húmiles.
Esuriéntes implévit bonis
et dívites dimísit inánes.
Suscépit Ísrael púerum suum,
recordátus misericórdiæ,
sicut locútus est ad patres nostros,
Ábraham et sémini eius in sæcula.
Glória Patri et Fílio
et Spirítui Sancto.
Sicut erat in princípio,
et nunc et semper,
et in sæcula sæculórum.
Amen.
She became the Mother of God, in which work so many and such great good things are bestowed on her as pass man’s understanding. For on this there follows all honor, all blessedness, and her unique place in the whole of mankind, among which she has no equal, namely, that she had a child by the Father in heaven, and such a Child . . . Hence men have crowded all her glory into a single word, calling her the Mother of God . . . None can say of her nor announce to her greater things, even though he had as many tongues as the earth possesses flowers and blades of grass: the sky, stars; and the sea, grains of sand. It needs to be pondered in the heart what it means to be the Mother of God.
(Commentary on the Magnificat, 1521; in Luther’s Works, Pelikan et al, vol. 21, 326)
It doesn’t say that either.
I never said a believer was sinless but declared sinless in a legal transaction.Legalism is a pagan belief system sis. Sorry. Fail.
Well, let’s start here. What did Paul & Silas tell the jailor?
Acts 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? 31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
That’s the simple gospel of Jesus Christ. They didn’t add anything on as the requirement. No legal add-ons acts by man to earn or justify ones salvation. Scripture is very clear about not requiring anything other than faith for salvation.
Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Romans 4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. 3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. 4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Rom. 3:28-30, "For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, 30 since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one."
Rom. 4:5, "But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness,"
Hebrews 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
If faith only is required for justification, sanctification, righteousness, and being “perfected forever” are you going to say that all those statements are wrong, in error, or just lies or half truths?
John tells us that if we confess our sins Jesus is faithful to forgive our sins.
1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
There are at least 42 passages in scripture where we are told that faith alone is needed for the forgiveness of sins and salvation.
In Acts 10 Peter says this.
Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
No mention of baptism as a requirement. Again in Ephesians 2.
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Water baptism is something that man does to please God or a “work” if you will.
In Titus 3 we are told it’s not “works of righteousness” that saves.
Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
No one can deny that baptism would be considered a “work of righteousness” or “something we have done”. To try to claim that baptism is what “washes away sins” or “is required for salvation” is to deny much of the rest of scripture.
Even to claim it’s a requirement or “law” for salvation would be to deny scripture.
Romans 3:28—“Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith WITHOUT THE DEEDS OF THE LAW.”
That entire paragraph looks to impress on a person that somehow the magisterium is infallible which is totally illogical. There is none infallible but God. The Holy Spirit was promised to every believer. If anything anyone believes contradicts even one portion of scripture the interpretation must be considered in error. Just as the requirement for baptism for salvation contradicts much of scripture or unmarried leadership in churches contradicts scripture.
That’s total nonsense. The Holy Spirit draws people to Christ which results in them being added to the church, the body of Christ, which consists of all believers.
>>no one in the NT was brought to faith in Jesus Christ without THE CHURCH, if you can name someone who was, please show me where.<<
The Catholics have been so indoctrinated about what the “church” is that it’s near impossible without professional deprogramming from cult attitudes to communicate.
*****There are at least 42 passages in scripture where we are told that faith alone is needed for the forgiveness of sins and salvation.*****
Well, you are half right.
Scripture does indeed say that faith is needed for the forgiveness of sins and salvation.
It does not however, say that faith ALONE is needed.
Do not add to Scripture.
No “alone”? Surely there wasn’t, but surely there is now.
“Dr. Luther will have it so!”
:)
Galatians 1:14 And I was advancing in Judaism beyond many of my own age among my people, so extremely zealous was I for the traditions of my fathers.
What a convoluted mishmash of carnal understanding. I’ll stay with “there is one mediator” and pray “our Father which art in heaven”. Along with “with boldness approach the throne of God” I think we can dispense with the ritualistic cult like practices of trying to leverage our power.
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