Posted on 11/23/2011 11:11:08 AM PST by marshmallow
A notoriously 'gay-friendly' parish in San Francisco has invited an openly homosexual Episcopalian cleric to lead an Advent Vespers service.
Most Holy Redeemer parish asked Bishop Otis Charles, a retired Episcopalian prelate, to lead the November 30 service. After serving as the Bishop of Utah from 1971 to 1993, he publicly announced that he is homosexual. Divorced from the mother of his 5 children, he solemnized a same-sex union in 2004.
So you admit the credibility of the historical Christian teaching on the Assumption of Mary but then try to distract from your admission by switching topics.
The catholic’church’ is the nicolaitans.
Nico: Rule over, Laitanos: the people.
That is what Christ said, because he despised the Pharisees, and their replacement in his church.
The Vatican is the most egregious example of nicolaitanism on Earth.
Protestantism has its own sordid history, so take the plank out of your own eye.
At least Catholics have the humility to admit when we’ve been wrong.
The catholic’church’ is the nicolaitans.
Nico: Rule over, Laitanos: the people.
That is what Christ said, because he despised the Pharisees, and their replacement in his church.
The Vatican is the most egregious example of nicolaitanism on Earth.
>>I already showed that the Nicolaitans were a gnostic heretical sect. You don’t even know what you are talking about.
Focus on the hypocrisy in yourself and your own sect before turning your guns on the Catholic Church.
How are they His representatives? Does Christ appear and appoint them? How are they determined to be Christ's representatives? What is the process? Do not fallible, fallen men deliberate and elect these "representatives?
Please do tell how Christ verifies these choices to be accurate?
That is Catholic teaching. And that Roman Catholic teaching is flawed almost beyond belief.
Hoss
Are the “patristic commentaries” infallible?
To what authority do they appeal for primacy? Is that authority infallible?
Hoss
>>You are switching the topic here. The Church fathers are far more reliable than a bunch of rebels who came out of the woodwork 1500 years after Christ.
Protestantism is a fabricated religion.
Face it, you don’t follow the Bible. Instead you arrogate yourself and say that your interpretation is what the Bible means.
If you want to split hairs over fallibility then let’s end this and call it a draw because even if the Bible is inerrant, no Protestant is.
Therefore they lack any right to attack the Catholic faith.
Ask all of the victims of sexual abuse at the hands of pedophile priests... I'm sure they were told how wrong the priests were immediately when it happened...
Wha...? Oh, right. The priests were just moved around and the victims hushed up.
Try again.
Hoss
That is Catholic teaching. And that Roman Catholic teaching is flawed almost beyond belief.
>>Again your SUBJECTIVE opinion.
That is Catholic teaching. And that Roman Catholic teaching is flawed almost beyond belief.
>>Again your SUBJECTIVE opinion.
The read would obviously place the reader directly under legalistic teachings...and once again rather than point a believer to Christ and His authority or His words, it steers to another source...and the problem with catholic teachings.......they flood out Christ to the point the centrality of Christ is lost in all the rules, regulations, rituals and many other distractions where one can only assume they have lost the way....meanwhile these teachers puff themselves up as they overstep the simplicity of the Gospel message, which is in Christ, and thereby lead others to miss the mark of the high calling which is in Christ....
When all is said and done they become that of a librarian or record keeper where they can and do draw on their lists or records of the knowlege of men..rather than thru Christ and His word....and often appear quite lost when scriptures are presented...but they know catholic history like the back of their hand..as presented by their teachers.
Ask all of the victims of sexual abuse at the hands of pedophile priests... I’m sure they were told how wrong the priests were immediately when it happened...
>>Give it a break. You can’t win on the facts because all you have is SUBJECTIVE opinion, so you are throwing the kitchen sink.
This argument is at an end.
Hardly. Why don't you answer the question? To what authority do the patristic commentaries appeal for primacy? What makes them the correct sources for information?
If you want to split hairs over fallibility then let’s end this and call it a draw because even if the Bible is inerrant, no Protestant is.
IF the Bible is inerrant? So... you're saying God-breathed scripture errs? And you say Protestantism is fabricated!? Wow. Just wow.
We have every right -- in fact, we have a DUTY to call out and refute ANY OTHER GOSPEL. And that IS what the Roman Catholic Church is... another false gospel.
Hoss
What? Did the priests not do this? I don't quite think that's a "subjective" opinion. Pretty sure that's a definitive fact.
This argument is at an end.
Hate to tell you this, but it was over many posts back when you couldn't tell me who the patristic commentaries appealed to for authority.
Take care.
Hoss
What? Did the priests not do this? I don't quite think that's a "subjective" opinion. Pretty sure that's a definitive fact.
This argument is at an end.
Hate to tell you this, but it was over many posts back when you couldn't tell me who the patristic commentaries appealed to for authority.
Take care.
Hoss
John did not say the opposite...especially of my statement..which was: "sure, they did (wrote) everything God wants us to know." You conveniently left out 'what God wants us to know'....and that which was significant...why of course they wrote for us.....we have all that we need as Christians to live and be as the Lord Jesus Christ would have us be... thru His word..the work of His Spirit in us...and our co-operation with Him.
BTW the tactic your using is one Jesus cautioned us of in not being ignorant of the enemy of men's souls devices.
Both.
Society seems to be dragging Holy Institutions into the realm of “If it feels good, sanctify it” claptrap.
It’s the goto final Wack A Mole deflection. It’s like a debate rule for some.
You are a laugh a minute.......
The Catholic church didn't admit to ANYTHING until the victims of the child molesting priests took it to secular courts because they HAD to because the Catholic church wasn't doing anything about it except covering for those priests.
It's only when the negative publicity shined a spotlight into that dark corner of immorality and corruption that they responded to do damage control.
1 John 5:13 13I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.
John states in two places that what he wrote was so that we could believe in Christ and be saved, have eternal life.
John obviously thought that was adequate, as did God who inspired Scripture.
You really nailed it earlier in the thread when you said this...... (which is a keeper)
Well yea...that's a no brain-er...sure they did for everything that God wants us to know. Unfortunately some spend so much time trying to determine what they think the Holy Spirit 'left out' , and basing their faith on 'what isn't written', that they lose sight of the truth that IS written, and thus they miss the mark of the high calling which is in Christ Jesus.
Most who do this cannot discern it is just another tactic to keep believers and unbelievers away from what Christ wants them to know...get them tangled up in a ball of thread for years...then they miss the mark entirely and to their own loss.
Careful there. It’s the Catholics who serve the same god as the Muslims.
# 841 The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.”[330]
>>Do not be conformed to this world,<<
You mean like taking the same “queen of heaven” philosophy as the pagans?
>>For you did not receive the spirit of slavery to fall back into fear,<<
And who is it exactly that says they can’t know if they are saved and fear they may not be good enough?
>>Everyone who is arrogant in heart is an abomination to the Lord<<
No one goes to heaven unless they belong to the Catholic Church right and everyone needs to bow to the Catholic Church because they are the first and after all non of us would have scripture had it not bee for the Catholic Church? That kind of arrogant?
>>For the sin of their mouths, the words of their lips, let them be trapped in their pride.<<
That Catholic Church is the only church and all should be thankful the church wrote the scriptures and besides the Catholic Church is the biggest? That kind of pride?
>>And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit,<<
So we shouldn’t put our faith in what the Pope says right?
>>that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect<<
We know, we need to “search the scriptures daily to see if these things are true”. >>Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.<<
That is for sure. Stay away from submitting to some guy in a pointy hat.
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