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To: rzman21
Ok noob, let’s get some courtesy considerations going here. Copying and pasting an entire website is really, really, really irritating. If you want me to go study a site say so but don’t take up the entire bandwidth available to FR and use it up on one post.

Now, you can scream, cry, obfuscate, genuflex, and do contortions all you want but the fact remains that the church fathers made statements about scripture being the only place to use as the base. If you, or anyone else, contend they said something different later on or other church fathers said something different you have one of two problems. Either you think they lied in one or the other statement or you entire “unanimous consent of the fathers” issue goes right out the window.

34 posted on 10/28/2011 2:36:47 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear

You can always proof text without understanding the context or even the original language.

Context. Context. Context. 00ldster


42 posted on 10/28/2011 3:16:23 PM PDT by rzman21
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To: rzman21
"Ok noob, let’s get some courtesy considerations going here."

Do you think noob is a courteous salutation from anyone with only 15 months on FR?

In any event, whether you post extensively or in bumper sticker format, it will not be read or acknowledged unless it conforms to Protestant orthodoxy, unless to ridicule. I have posted extensively in the last several works what many of the Early Church Father wrote about scripture and, in typical anterograde amnesia manner, it has been ignored.

We must begin with one undeniable fact; the Church Fathers were Catholic. The comprehensive writing by those we consider to be Fathers of the Church closely mirrors the modern Catholic Church on the meaning and role of the Bible, the Church, Tradition, Apostolic Tradition, Salvation, Justification, Penance, the Eucharist, the divinization of man, Purgatory, Prayers for the dead, the Intercession of Saints and the sinlessness of Mary.

Any study of the Fathers reveals that they united three terms that have since been separated and set in opposition by the Reformation, these were Scripture, Tradition, and Church. For the Reformation to destroy the Church it became necessary to destroy Tradition.

To the Early Church Scripture was the rule and norm of faith only when conjoined to the Church and her Tradition. For the Early Church Fathers, like the Church today, it was not an either or proposition, it was an and proposition; Totum in Scriptura, Totum in Traditione: ALL in Sacred Scripture and ALL in Sacred Tradition.

The writings of the Fathers are not some state secret of banned writings. They are available for all to read. Just because a Protestant tells you what they actually meant doesn't make it so and it is so easy to verify I don't know why they bother.

45 posted on 10/28/2011 3:28:44 PM PDT by Natural Law (Transubstantiation - Change we can believe in.)
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To: CynicalBear

Rather than trying to prooftext and disprove Catholicism, why don’t you start from scratch and read the fathers for their own merits rather than trying to defend your 16th century novelty.

I did. It was very enlightening. http://www.newadvent.org/fathers

Happy reading.


48 posted on 10/28/2011 3:41:59 PM PDT by rzman21
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