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To: rzman21
"Ok noob, let’s get some courtesy considerations going here."

Do you think noob is a courteous salutation from anyone with only 15 months on FR?

In any event, whether you post extensively or in bumper sticker format, it will not be read or acknowledged unless it conforms to Protestant orthodoxy, unless to ridicule. I have posted extensively in the last several works what many of the Early Church Father wrote about scripture and, in typical anterograde amnesia manner, it has been ignored.

We must begin with one undeniable fact; the Church Fathers were Catholic. The comprehensive writing by those we consider to be Fathers of the Church closely mirrors the modern Catholic Church on the meaning and role of the Bible, the Church, Tradition, Apostolic Tradition, Salvation, Justification, Penance, the Eucharist, the divinization of man, Purgatory, Prayers for the dead, the Intercession of Saints and the sinlessness of Mary.

Any study of the Fathers reveals that they united three terms that have since been separated and set in opposition by the Reformation, these were Scripture, Tradition, and Church. For the Reformation to destroy the Church it became necessary to destroy Tradition.

To the Early Church Scripture was the rule and norm of faith only when conjoined to the Church and her Tradition. For the Early Church Fathers, like the Church today, it was not an either or proposition, it was an and proposition; Totum in Scriptura, Totum in Traditione: ALL in Sacred Scripture and ALL in Sacred Tradition.

The writings of the Fathers are not some state secret of banned writings. They are available for all to read. Just because a Protestant tells you what they actually meant doesn't make it so and it is so easy to verify I don't know why they bother.

45 posted on 10/28/2011 3:28:44 PM PDT by Natural Law (Transubstantiation - Change we can believe in.)
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To: Natural Law

One correction: Purgatory is an invention of the Western Church.

The Eastern Orthodox Church has never taught or believed in Purgatory. Nor did the Eastern Church Fathers.


201 posted on 10/30/2011 10:35:55 PM PDT by TexConfederate1861 (Surrender means that the history of this heroic struggle will be written by the enemy.)
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