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To: D-fendr; smvoice; metmom
But this is not how the Christian faith is and has been transmitted and maintained through the centuries. Your teachers’ theology is less than two centuries old, some of the others I mentioned are from less than a century old. What new system will be “Christian” next year or the next decade? What new fit can be made from the same verses? Infinite. You cannot have a Christian faith that is One, Holy and Universal and Eternal this way. Your teachers and what they have taught you are prima facia evidence of this.

I suppose you want us to believe the Roman Catholic Church has "it" all together, that everyone agrees about everything, nobody thinks any differently than anyone else, all the church "Fathers" were in full agreement about everything and all Catholics today all believe everything the same? If THAT'S what you're trying to imply, I hate to burst your bubble, but that simply isn't true and it isn't how it works. You have been told a lie, a myth, a fantasy world. Very few doctrines were unanimous and many were barely passed without strong arming and power plays. There IS no official Catholic commentary on the Bible and many areas remain unaddressed in the catechism.

What "true" Christians have in common - and SHOULD have in common - is the Gospel of Jesus Christ. God became man, Jesus Christ, was born of a virgin according to Scripture, lived a sinless life, was crucified, died and was buried and after three days he rose again from the grave and sits at the right hand of the Father and will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead and of his kingdom there will be no end, his sacrifice on the cross was in payment for our sins, and all those who receive him, believing in him as Savior will be saved by the Grace of God through faith. We have eternal life as a gift of God through grace. We are indwelt with the Holy Spirit, sealed until the day of redemption, who works within us to live new lives that glorify God and lead the lost to Christ. There's more, but I would say those are the MAIN THINGS that define a Christian found within the Bible as our authority.

So what that not everyone worships the same way? So what that we have different gifts, different purposes, different leaders, different structure, different prayers, styles, hymns? What God wants is unity in the faith - the faith in Christ that is spelled out in Holy Scripture - THE gospel. What God wants is unity in the Spirit, love among brothers and sisters in the Spiritual Body of Christ. When we meet in heaven, it will make sense, we will know even as we are known. God's purposes will come to pass, his will will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Amen.

1,583 posted on 11/09/2011 8:57:37 PM PST by boatbums ( Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us. Titus 3:5)
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To: boatbums

AMEN!!!


1,588 posted on 11/09/2011 9:03:26 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: boatbums

And AMEN.


1,590 posted on 11/09/2011 9:06:59 PM PST by smvoice (Who the *#@! is Ivo of Chatre & why am I being accused of not linking to his quote?)
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To: boatbums

The finite world is a messy place, there are arguments and councils and debate. But the basics of the Christian faith that we have today are here only because the Church prevailed on them and maintained them through the centuries against all manner of heresy.

The same heresies that we see today outside the Church and on these threads.

“So what that everyone worships the same way?”

Who cares? The Church does. It most definitely cares that “worship” means the same thing to everyone throughout the ages as it did to Christ and His Apostles. The word “Catholic” was first used to mean everyone does share the same faith, the same worship of the same God. If you care about this, you wish to become Catholic.

Because without this, eventually you become Dispensationalists, Calvinists, Arminians, Pentecostals, Unitarians, etc. etc.

History is the proof of this.


1,598 posted on 11/09/2011 9:15:49 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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