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To: boatbums

The finite world is a messy place, there are arguments and councils and debate. But the basics of the Christian faith that we have today are here only because the Church prevailed on them and maintained them through the centuries against all manner of heresy.

The same heresies that we see today outside the Church and on these threads.

“So what that everyone worships the same way?”

Who cares? The Church does. It most definitely cares that “worship” means the same thing to everyone throughout the ages as it did to Christ and His Apostles. The word “Catholic” was first used to mean everyone does share the same faith, the same worship of the same God. If you care about this, you wish to become Catholic.

Because without this, eventually you become Dispensationalists, Calvinists, Arminians, Pentecostals, Unitarians, etc. etc.

History is the proof of this.


1,598 posted on 11/09/2011 9:15:49 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr
It most definitely cares that “worship” means the same thing to everyone throughout the ages as it did to Christ and His Apostles. The word “Catholic” was first used to mean everyone does share the same faith, the same worship of the same God. If you care about this, you wish to become Catholic.

I was a Roman Catholic and I have no desire NOR leading to go back to that. But I AM part of the universal body of Christ. This doesn't mean, however, that I have forsaken the worship of the true God. The faith that was preached in the first century is the same faith that I share. I think you have been misled into believing that only membership in the Roman Catholic Church qualifies one to be a "true" Christian. Though it seems that the "hierarchy" within your church has changed it's collective mind over the years and now admits that non-Catholics can be saved and part of the spiritual body of Christ. Perhaps Pope Boniface VIII is rolling over in his grave to hear his bull has been changed, but I do believe it is a positive step in the right direction of recognizing the universal spiritual body of Christ. Complete and total agreement on ALL and EVERY possible parts of thought and doctrine is simply impossible and, I think, diminishes the unity we have in the major tenets of the Christian faith.

The basics of the Christian faith are still here today because we have the Holy Scriptures as our infallible authority. It is through God's power and purpose that we have it and it is divinely-inspired Scripture regardless of the church's recognition of it. It is one of many of God's gifts to his people.

1,611 posted on 11/09/2011 10:10:42 PM PST by boatbums ( Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us. Titus 3:5)
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To: D-fendr
Because without this, eventually you become Dispensationalists, Calvinists, Arminians, Pentecostals, Unitarians, etc. etc.

Like the scripture says, man judges the outside appearance...God judges the heart...

You don't know the heart of any of these denominational Christians...There are Christians in every group you cited, and more...Might even be some Catholic Christians somewhere...

The word “Catholic” was first used to mean everyone does share the same faith, the same worship of the same God.

Naw, it wasn't...The word (c)atholic was used to mean universal...The church is everywhere...Your religion isn't the catholic church...Your bunch invented the (C)atholic (C)hurch...It's a proper name...It's a denomination...

Your Catholic Church worships the same God that the Izlamaniacs worship...The people I run with don't worship the same God as the muzlims (and apparently you) do...We clearly don't worship the same way either...

If you care about this, you wish to become Catholic.

Why that's absurd...You don't know my heart or any one else's...I care about this stuff and I wouldn't become a Catholic if it was the last cult standing...

1,628 posted on 11/10/2011 5:49:53 AM PST by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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