Posted on 10/28/2011 6:59:29 AM PDT by markomalley
“You can take whatever it is you want. I don’t tell you what you can and can’t accept. If it disagrees with the 66 books I accept I won’t.”
So then you really aren’t arguing that the books are inspired. You are arguing that people should accept the books that the want to accept.
This doesn’t sound like a very strong defense of scripture...
Do not spread arguments from thread to thread.
I most certainly do. Jesus promised to send a “vicar” and did.
John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. 8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. 15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
You have your vicar and I will have mine.
II Corinthians 3:16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away. 17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
I won’t turn to the RCC vicar because has a designated vicar for us.
such as...the conversation that is happening right now, in the most current post. The bodily assumption of Mary. since you are Catholic, I assume you believe this. Can you show me from correct research for accuracy and truth PROOF that she was bodily assumed? Scriptures? No? Just give me your sources that truthfully and accurately prove this doctrinal belief. Thank you.
So Joseph and Mary were actually cousins although many times removed. Since Heli had no sons, Mary had to find a husband from the tribe of Judah like herself to protect her father’s estate.(See Numbers 36) She also needed a direct descendant of Solomon to perfect her son’s claim to the throne of David, since Nathan’s descendants weren’t of the Royal line.
Joseph fit the bill on both accounts but like every other descendant of Solomon’s carried a blood curse disqualifying any biological son of his from ever being King of Israel.(Jeremiah 22:28-30) Since Joseph was not the Lord’s biological father, he could adopt Him, qualifying Him to be King without passing Him the curse.
Thus, because of the virgin birth, Jesus became the only one in Israel qualified to sit on David’s throne, and remains so to this day.
http://gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bible-teacher/are-josephs-and-marys-lineage-incorrect/
Oh, that was precious!
I have never encountered the assertion that paraclete andvicar were remotely similar in meaning.
And in any event that is a red herring. You implied that to have a Pope as head was to displace Christ. So now are you dropping thatc or are you just changing the subject?
LOL amazing!
Great post, mm. This is one to be referred to often..
I’m “arguing” that if a book or writing contains information or concepts that disagrees with or is in opposition to the 66 books it can’t be considered inspired. Sola Scriptura simply states that all doctrine or practices agree with and can be justified by scripture.
Nope, I say that there is no need for a “representative” other then who Christ says He sent and that is the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit trumps the Pope and we have the Holy Spirit. The Pope trying to usurp the position of the Holy Spirit is an abomination.
I would be sincerely interested if that “proof” is forthcoming.
But what you SAID was, the thing I was arguing with was:
And He was very clear that He was the head of that church and not some guy in Rome.
Hereabouts we call that changing the subject.
If you all had the confidence you profess you wouldn't need to shuck and jive like that.
That the two accounts do not harmonize presents difficulties to strict Biblical literalists and Sola Scriptura proponents is well understood. Some apologists conclude that the two genealogies for Jesus trace both his royal and his human lineage. Others find a way to show Mary's lineage. I personally have wrestled with it for years because, as Jesus did not have a human father, I am not settled on the context or relevance to the theories proposed.
The conundrum you are faced with, however, is that I, and Catholics in general, do not have a problem utilizing Tradition and other non-Biblical sources to assist in the interpretation of Scripture. Relying on the Jerusalem Talmud, which is nothing more than a collection of oral traditions, is doing the very thing that you condemn and belittle Catholics for doing.
So what I am really asking you is why you think you are better than any Catholic in Scriptural integrity and why you think http://gracethrufaith.com/ is better than a Magisterium?
And that is exactly what I meant. Catholics claim that the Pope is Christ’s representative on earth. Scripture says that the Holy Spirit was sent to be Christ’s representative on earth.
The fact we never hear anything about Mary after she received the Holy Spirit on Pentecost tells us that Mary was a non participant in the development of the NT church.. BUT if Mary was assumed into heaven that would have been a miracle of such magnitude that it would have encouraged all those being persecuted for the name of Christ..
The first mention of the assumption was not until the 6 th century ..none of those directly taught by the apostles or those that immediately following mentioned anything on this "miracle "...
Once again a misunderstanding, whether intentional or inadvertently I don’t know, of what Sola Scriptura means. Let me try this one more time.
Sola scriptura (Latin ablative, "by scripture alone") is the doctrine that the Bible contains all knowledge necessary for salvation and holiness. Consequently, sola scriptura demands that only those doctrines are to be admitted or confessed that are found directly within or indirectly by using valid logical deduction or valid deductive reasoning from scripture. However, sola scriptura is not a denial of other authorities governing Christian life and devotion. Rather, it simply demands that all other authorities are subordinate to, and are to be corrected by, the written word of God. [https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Sola_scriptura]
By using the gracethrufaith site to explain what is in scripture in no way threatens the concept of Sola Scriptura. Prophesy states that Jesus would literally come from the line of David. The accounts in Matthew and Luke indeed show that Mary came through Nathan and Joseph came through Solomon but many fail to see it for some reason. Mary’s lineage through Nathan fulfills prophesy and agrees with scripture.
The Catholic doctrine of the assumption of Mary, purgatory, and others do not conform to scripture thus the difference.
There is a difference between someone that is culturally a protestant or protestant by birth, or education or someone that just determines to attend a protestant church and someone who is saved.. being protestant and being saved are not seen by evangelicals as synonymous . Catholics do not seem to understand that .
So when I see a post of a 'protestant" that became a Catholic.. I shrug my shoulders.. this is an unsaved person looking for their god somewhere else.
I do not think they are stupid or angry or untaught ..or many of the other things said about protestants here that left the Catholic church..
Bingo!
So why should your list of 66 books be considered “scripture”? That’s my point. There has to be an objective standard. It can’t just be, “use whichever books you like.
Now if you are arguing that it is self-evident that scripture is the 66 books, I want to hear why.
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