Posted on 10/28/2011 6:59:29 AM PDT by markomalley
Nor do we pray to others thinking that they’re going to give us something that God Himself wouldn’t, like God isn’t going to answer our prayers like Jesus promised He would.
Reliance on Paul? Are you denying that the words of Paul were not words the Holy Spirit gave Paul to write? Paul was after all the Apostle to the Gentiles right? All the gospels are used but the words of the Holy Spirit to Paul were specifically meant for us Gentiles were they not? Would you deny that by quoting Paul we are quoting the Holy Spirit?
No, not at all. Peter and Paul were certainly familiar with Jewish and pagan priesthoods but they don't use the term “hiereus” (priest) to describe leaders in the Christian church except in their future role as heavenly kings and priests under the high priest, Christ.
And Paul chastised those who wanted to take up the role before then.
The terms bishop (overseer), deacon (servant or minister), presbyter (elder or older man) were descriptive of the work done and level of responsibility not titles anymore than apostle was a title, Apostle.
In deed other groups have priests and attach titles to their position, but that hardly fits the sense of what Jesus said about each Christian being a servant, a “diakonos” at Matt. 23:8-12.
The key word there is “required”. Protestants for the most part would use the word “expected”. Using the word “required” would demand the question “required for what”? Using the word “expected” would demand the question “expected because of what?
>>and that nothing matters except mere words attempting to excuse one.<<
Why would you presume to think that nothing “matters except mere words”? Making that presumption in an attempt to accuse of not taking seriously the exhortation to follow through with the fruits of salvation and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit is rather spurious I would think.
Well, since the Holy Spirit guided them, I would say he already has a copy. Including the books the Protestants threw out!
Scripture calls all believers saints. The CC denies that and tries to insert a level between Jesus and us his true church. It’s just one more example of inserting themselves between God and the true saints to wrest control and authority from Jesus. They claim that all saints whether on earth or in heaven are one body yet deny the “one body” when taking control for Jesus here on earth. Do they also contend they are over the saints in heaven?
That would be correct. As long as you rely only on Jesus for salvation “to the end” you will inherit. If you stop believing that why would you think you would still “qualify”?
And your evidence that it wasn’t the Holy Spirit who inspired them to “throw them out” is?
Our evidence is that OUR Bishops that were inspired to put them IN. I don’t think the Holy Spirit contradicts itself!
One is saved by faith. Good Works are the manifestation of TRUE faith. Not the “Kumbaya” kind.
No numbers. If one is saved through faith in Jesus Christ, one will manifest works.
No problem with our Church Father. Only the interpretation of his letter.
I'd say your knowledge and belief of scripture is remarkably underwhelming...
Jesus was for the Jews only, according to this bunch.
You were shown the scripture...To deny the scripture is to call Jesus a liar...We should believe your religion instead of Jesus??? No thanks...
Jesus was for the Jews only, initially...
Paul was for the Christians and the whole world.
Paul was for Jesus...Paul was given the commission to bring the Gentiles into the church...
It is Paul to whom Christians must turn, as long as they use the magic phrase "in Jesus' name"
If you ever turn to Jesus (repent) and ask him to save you, and show you something, he'll remove the blinders from your eyes and give you spiritual understanding...
No one is instructed to turn to Paul...But in the church age, we are instructed to turn to Paul's message from Jesus Christ...
You guys don't pray in 'Jesus' name, do you???
Sometimes we need to pray to God...Do you think God hears your prayers???
1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, and that is his wife, mother, and daughter, Mary the man Christ Jesus;
Do you ever wonder why we need a mediator between us and God??? Do you ever wonder why God inspired over 30,000 verses of scripture to be put in His bible???
Joh 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
Apparently unbeknown to Catholics, we need to pray to God and ask it in Jesus' name...
Joh 16:22 And ye now therefore have sorrow: but I will see you again, and your heart shall rejoice, and your joy no man taketh from you.
Joh 16:23 And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.
Joh 16:24 Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.
Joh 16:25 These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father.
Joh 16:26 At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you:
I'm sure that last one is way above your head so I won't go into it right now...
If you don't pray in Jesus' name, I don't see how God even hears your prayers...What a pity...
And apparently you don't have the slightest clue as to WHY we need to pray in Jesus' name...
So you would also say that anything in those books that doesn’t completely agree with all the other books would indicate that they were not inspired by the Holy Spirit?
Doesn’t the CC teach that grace come “through” good works rather than as a result of grace?
Mark, they throw out a verse like some kind of Harry Potter incantation believing that it will somehow change the context of Scripture, confuse the actual Christians and bend their faith to the will of anti-Catholicism. The irony is that it is obvious to all but them that they are the only ones who have succumbed to the conjuration.
Since I am not roman catholic, how would I know?
No. But I don’t believe there ARE any contradictions
Where in that post did I say Roman Catholic?
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.