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To: Gamecock
...you can build a crowd without building a church.

? He's got the largest one in the nation.

I think what Joel is saying is that anyone who confesses Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savoir is a Christian. The Bible says we're saved by GRACE through FAITH in Jesus Christ, not by belonging to the right church.

Yes the LDS Church is a false doctrine church, but I'm sure there are born-again Christians that go there not yet realizing its problems. God works from the inside out.

Joel is not a "heretic hunter." That's not his ministry. He's a Pastor and and encourager. His church helps many people come to a saving faith in Jesus Christ and helps many all over the world. They're the real deal. I've been a committed Christian for 40+ years and have been going to his church for two and a half years. He preaches God's Word in the anointing of the Holy Spirit every Sunday.

He comes from a solid background and from a solid Christian family whose dad, John, was a well respected pastor and man of God. Joel also is well respected among recognized leaders in the Christian Church including Billy Graham.

5 posted on 10/26/2011 5:40:11 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: PapaNew
Joel is not a "heretic hunter."

That is abundantly clear.

And because he doesn't discern what is Christian and what is not his flock is left to the wolves.

9 posted on 10/26/2011 5:58:35 PM PDT by Gamecock (“I’m so thankful for [the] active obedience of Christ. No hope without it.” JGM)
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To: PapaNew
I think what Joel is saying is that anyone who confesses Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savoir is a Christian.

Then Mormons are Christians only if "Christ" is a label, rather than a historical figure. Because the "Jesus Christ" we find in Mormonism is not the one revealed in the Bible and formally defined at the councils of Nicaea or Chalcedon.

29 posted on 10/26/2011 7:57:02 PM PDT by RansomOttawa (tm)
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To: PapaNew

Um, that is a lack of spiritual discernment.

Do you REALLY KNOW what (who) Mormons teach Jesus was?

They teach that God the Father came to earth and had sex with Mary to produce Jesus. No virgin birth, no God Incarnate. That Jesus is a separate created being.

To make matters worse, Lucifer (Satan) is another of God the Father’s spirit offspring from another one of his spirit wives, making Satan the half-brother of Jesus. Now I couldn’t believe that when I heard it so I asked a Mormon I worked with face to face if that’s what they believed and he told me *Yes*.

So Mormon’s believe that Jesus was a created being, NOT God come in the flesh, but rather the half-brother of Satan.

Now, I don’t care if that entity is named Jesus or not, that Jesus is NOT going to save you. It’s the wrong one and they know it. Read Galatians sometime about the preaching of false gospels and false Christ’s.


48 posted on 10/27/2011 5:41:13 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: PapaNew; xzins; metmom; Gamecock; RobinWWJD; RansomOttawa; Alex Murphy
Joel is not a "heretic hunter." That's not his ministry. He's a Pastor and and encourager.

You've flunked Basic New Testament Overseer 101. (You only got HALF of it right)

What does the apostle Paul say? What did he tell Titus?

7 Since an overseer manages God’s household, he must be blameless—not overbearing, not quick-tempered, not given to drunkenness, not violent, not pursuing dishonest gain. 8 Rather, he must be hospitable, one who loves what is good, who is self-controlled, upright, holy and disciplined. 9 He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it. [apostle Paul to Titus, vv. 7-9 of chapter 1]

V. 9 says that pastors/overseers are to hold firmly to the message...why? To encourage others, yes; but also to "refute those who oppose it." And even on the "encouragement" side, how does Paul tell Titus to do that? Answer? "by sound doctrine".

Perhaps you've got too much "feel-good" non-denominationalism blood runnin' thru your veins.

50 posted on 10/27/2011 6:13:54 PM PDT by Colofornian (Anyone who can be duped by Joseph Smith can be duped by anyone.)
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