Posted on 10/26/2011 5:04:31 PM PDT by Gamecock
When push comes to shove, Osteen is nothing more than a modern day Joseph Smith.
I attempted to listen to one of Osteen’s broadcasts once, and I got through about a half of a sermon.
I did not hear Father/Son/Holy Spirit mentioned even once, and moreover, I just didn’t follow it. I’m not a dumb man, and maybe Osteen was off that day or something, but I just couldn’t follow it. It was built around motivational themes similar to what one might get at a Zig Ziglar convention, but there was no thread holding it together that day, so it came across as a series of quotes and platitudes held together by the previous series of the same.
FWIW, that particular day Osteen didn’t hit a single....much less a home run. As a public speaker, I know that happens, but couple that with the no mention of the divine, and I wondered what was going on.
Milt Rominy (rhymes with hominy, the huskless corn product) is a High Priest in MormonISM and that religion denies the efficacy of Christ's blood for salvation. The flying Inmans address the souls and you address the buildings for attendance. Says a lot about your spiritual state. Are you a Mormon?
In context, it looks like he's answering Wallace's questions about the validity of Mormonism. Osteen is essentially saying that he hasn't studied Mormonism so he can't comment. Seems fair to me. Not studying Mormonism is not anathema to the Christian faith.
Cult identification and analysis is not what Joel is anointed to do. He is anointed, however, to help God's people break strongholds and victoriously move into the inheritance God has for them. Heb. 3:11-4:11. He's pushing back the gates of Hell and Satan doesn't like it one bit.
I'll be along side of Joel (at least in the spirit of imparting eternal faith, hope, and charity in the power of the Spirit and the grace of the Lord Jesus) if and when God calls me to do so.
Well, if you read parts of the Bible, you may not read Father/Son/Holy Spirit either (like Esther for instance). Try listening to an entire sermon sometime, including the weekly prayer call and alter call and comments before and after worship. You'll hear a lot about the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit and good Bible-based teaching.
FYI, I used to think he was a motivational speaker who smiled all the time. But one day, it was like invisible hands from Heaven took Joel and Victoria and planted them right in front of me and said, "Here, these are for you - listen to them." Since then I've plugged into Lakewood Church and read all his books and my life has changed for the better. You're talking to a committed, spirit-filled, fairly mature Christian who's been a believer for 40+ years - no babe in Christ.
Hey, Osteen's not for everyone, God puts different people in different places according to His will. But if you're ever interested, try reading one one his books sometime - ask the Lord to wipe the slate clean of preconceptions and just receive if He has anything for you. I think you'll be in for a surprise.
Hysteria? Are you going to condemn the hysterics of the 52,000 mormon missionaries whose "hysteria" leads them to sacrifice two full years of their lives going out daily and telling Christians that their Christian faith is bogus and the only way to salvation is to become a mormon and take part in their arcane rituals in the temples?
That is a much more fitting way of describing "hysteria" than the efforts of The Flying Inmans who provide the truth of mormonism on FR. You label the posts of a handful of FReepers "hysteria" while ignoring the ongoing attempt for more than a century of the entire membership of the mormon church to baptize every soul (either alive or dead) into their polytheistic sect.
The "hysteric" anti Christianity I see in your posts reminds me very strongly of a banned mormon, one whose claim was that Joseph Smith was an actual "Apostle" of Jesus.
Sorry, meant to ping you to #46.
Um, that is a lack of spiritual discernment.
Do you REALLY KNOW what (who) Mormons teach Jesus was?
They teach that God the Father came to earth and had sex with Mary to produce Jesus. No virgin birth, no God Incarnate. That Jesus is a separate created being.
To make matters worse, Lucifer (Satan) is another of God the Father’s spirit offspring from another one of his spirit wives, making Satan the half-brother of Jesus. Now I couldn’t believe that when I heard it so I asked a Mormon I worked with face to face if that’s what they believed and he told me *Yes*.
So Mormon’s believe that Jesus was a created being, NOT God come in the flesh, but rather the half-brother of Satan.
Now, I don’t care if that entity is named Jesus or not, that Jesus is NOT going to save you. It’s the wrong one and they know it. Read Galatians sometime about the preaching of false gospels and false Christ’s.
Kind of makes you wonder what the noobs previous screen name was.
You've flunked Basic New Testament Overseer 101. (You only got HALF of it right)
What does the apostle Paul say? What did he tell Titus?
7 Since an overseer manages God’s household, he must be blameless—not overbearing, not quick-tempered, not given to drunkenness, not violent, not pursuing dishonest gain. 8 Rather, he must be hospitable, one who loves what is good, who is self-controlled, upright, holy and disciplined. 9 He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it. [apostle Paul to Titus, vv. 7-9 of chapter 1]
V. 9 says that pastors/overseers are to hold firmly to the message...why? To encourage others, yes; but also to "refute those who oppose it." And even on the "encouragement" side, how does Paul tell Titus to do that? Answer? "by sound doctrine".
Perhaps you've got too much "feel-good" non-denominationalism blood runnin' thru your veins.
Exactly.
I think you guys have a screwy idea of what it means to be a Christian. If a Mormon is Saved by Grace through Jesus Christ, they are a Christian. Just because the church has some wacky beliefs doesn’t mean every member walks in locked step with that belief. A quick perusal of Anti-Mormon sites shows that a lot of members don’t exactly toe the line even though they still attend church.
Ya’ll starting to get that Pharisee thing down to a science.
Well said!
Galatians 1: 6-9
No Other Gospel
6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!
Just one of many warnings in the Bible. You should "peruse" it some time.
Mormon is as Mormon does.
I'm in his flock and I'm not left to the wolves. Every Sunday he explains how to become a born-again Christian by faith in Jesus Christ
I'm sorry to hear that you are of the gullible masses. Nonetheless, how can the student know more than his teacher? And from everything I have heard Joel yap about, one thing is certain - Joel Osteen doesn't know the Gospel.
If you are of his flock you are not competent to discuss the Gospel.
Hysteria? Are you going to condemn the hysterics of the 52,000 mormon missionaries whose "hysteria" leads them to sacrifice two full years of their lives going out daily and telling Christians that their Christian faith is bogus and the only way to salvation is to become a mormon and take part in their arcane rituals in the temples?
Oh if that is the criteria for truth, then what is giving up one's life for their belief? Two years or your entire life? So according to your logic those who followed Jim Jones, or any jihadist who self-detonates must have the real truth.
Big deal if someone rides a bicycle for two years - what about a man who devotes many years in seminary to get his ThD? Will two years of door-to-door sales equip a man with doctrinal truth better than years of seminary study?
If a Mormon is Saved by Grace through Jesus Christ, they are a Christian.
Oh, I see. So you scratch out 1 Corinthians 2:14 regarding the Paraclete as being the only key to understanding the Gospel. And since the Paraclete is the one that leads a person to knowledge of our LORD, you must also categorically reject 1 Cor 14:23 where God is not the author of confusion concerning Truth.
Ya’ll starting to get that Pharisee thing down to a science.
In Acts 23:6 and 26:5 Paul admits to being a strict Pharisee so in view of that I suppose you also reject Galatians 3 where Paul says there is only one Gospel taught by the Spirit - because Paul was a Pharisee.
(sigh)
Joel Osteen told Larry king that.”he wasn’t prepared to say, that Jesus was the only way to Heaven.
Saul was a Pharisee among Pharisees, until the road to Damascus experience.
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