Posted on 10/26/2011 5:04:31 PM PDT by Gamecock
Can I ask you a few questions about LDS re: your “take” on Jesus?
Will a believer (Mormon) become a god?
If so, was God (of the bible) once a man?
How many gods would there be eventually?
What is the relationship between Jesus and Satan?
Seems traditional belief is that Jesus is fully God, and fully man, being the “Son”, one member of the Trinity (the tri unity of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Spirit). Also traditionally Satan is a fallen created being (angel).
I have heard it said Jesus has been in Mormon teaching, referred to as the spirit brother of Jesus. This puts him (at some time) in the same plane of existence, which I find not compatible with biblical Christianity.
Can you comment?
-Do you believe that Jesus and God the father are the same?
-Do you believe that Jesus and Satan are spiritual brothers?
-Do you believe that Jesus saves you after you have done all you can do?
-Do you believe Mormon men can become god?
The Bible Says: “Judge not, that ye be not judged, For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again” Mathew 7:1-2
Suggest you keep reading. We are told to guard our doctrine and beware of wolves. Or is that not in the Mormon bible?
So taking the above scripture literally: If God finds me an acceptable Christian, yet you sequester God’s Judgment and declare me as a LDS(mormon) a non-Christian
What makes you so sure God has done that? You deny that the one and only God came to earth and died for your sins. You believe that you can be mostly good and Jesus makes up for your shortcomings. You deny original sin. You believe that in the scheme of things there are many gods.
So Go ahead and join the party!
I had a vision, that all Mormons will be cast into the outer darkness. It is not a party but a concern for those who follow the pagan religion founded by a two-bit huckster.
I want to understand your church’s teaching on Jesus. This book I have says concerning Mormon teaching on Jesus:
“Jesus was once a man who became God. He was only a physical man, not God the Son, while he was on the earth. Jesus was not the result of a spiritual act of the Holy Spirit in Mary’s life. He was the result of Mary and Joseph having sex.”
Is this book accurate or is it incorrect?
“Part of our core message is that seasons change, and when you believe, if you don’t get bitter, and you don’t get discouraged, you may not change overnight, but you can get peace.”
What is this idiot talking about now? This sounds like something the Bamster would read from his telemprompter. Doesn’t Joel know that Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever (Hebrews 13:8), not when the “seasons change” or whatever else Osteen has conjured up in his nothing statement.
Unless you believe that Jesus never had a beginning and never will have an end you do not believe in the Jesus of scripture.
This guy and other false prosperity preachers are going to fail big time. We have seen it before. His kind give a bib black eye to Christianity. He is nothing but a FAT CAT scammer.
Can you give us a description of how it's explained, or what's provided?
If growth programs exist at Lakewood, they're not obvious, and (based on the ones they do advertise) they likely won't have any depth. Either Lakewood/Osteen thinks that Christians can grow to instant maturity like Sea-Monkeys, or else Lakewood/Osteen believes the congregation will never be old enough for solid food.
Then Mormons are Christians only if "Christ" is a label, rather than a historical figure. Because the "Jesus Christ" we find in Mormonism is not the one revealed in the Bible and formally defined at the councils of Nicaea or Chalcedon.
My problem with Joel Osteen isn’t that he always serves patato chips instead of meat in terms of Biblical education; My problem with the Pastor isn’t that he can’t seem to get beyond the happy happy joy joy ear tickling that so many who don’t want to be convicted of their own shortcomings these days seem to prefer.
Joel Osteen preaches prosperity and that is something that is not biblical and why I agree with the previous poster that you responded to who stated that people in his ‘church’ are left to the wolves.
I pray that he repents and starts preaching the BIBLE rather then prosperity.
"I always like to use the analogy of Jim Caviezel [In Mel Gibson's 'The Passion of The Christ']. Like the Mormon Jesus, he dressed the part, spoke the same words (in the original language, no less), and was referred to as Jesus Christ within a specific context, but it makes all the difference in the world whether one worships and depends upon him for their salvation or the genuine article."
A lot of Evangelicala reject Ephesus and the definition of Mary as Theotokos, so it’s shaky ground to criticize the Mormons for rejecting ecumenical councils of the Catholic Church.
Evangelical Neo-Nestorianism is every bit as problematic.
"We may talk of men being redeemed by the efficacy of his [Christ's] blood; but the truth is that that blood has no efficacy to wash away our sins. That must depend upon our own action." [ LDS Apostle Amasa M. Lyman, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 7, p. 299, 1859]“Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the ‘whore of Babylon’ whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent.” - Orson Pratt, The Seer, p. 255
If you are unable to see why those two assertions from LDS inc leadership are blasphemous to Christianity, then you are a prime candidate for the slick spiritual death in MormonISM.
Joel Osteen is NOT an authority on anything, except how to make millions off the people who come to his ‘Mega Church’. Joel is a master at manipulation...he manipulates his congregation, his TV followers, and the media. And Joel definately not an authority on ‘religions’. Does he know who Yehshua, Jesus, the Son of God really is? Does he buy the Morman teaching that says Jesus and Satan are brothers?
God help him find the real Jesus.
What are you trying to prove to me?
I really am not phased by what heretical teachers have to say about me or my faith.
Mormonism is a hokey folk religion that really is not a threat to my faith or to the Catholic Church, so until it is I simply am indifferent.
All I’ve been trying to say is this anti-Mormon hysteria is identical to the hysteria that has been levied against the Catholic Church by evangelicals for generations. Not to mention, the same anathemas you keep throwing at the Mormons can be thrown back at you.
What’s the difference between a heretical Mormon and a heretical Evangelical?
I regard teachings like the rapture and pre-millenialism every bit as wacky as Mormonism.
Evangelicalism is a greater threat to Catholicism than Mormonism is.
However, I'm not aware of any Evangelicals who would reject the Nicene Creed or the Definition of Chalcedon—the two ecumenical councils I cited, as opposed to one that I didn't.
Only a portion of the entire service. Much goes on before and after the TV portion.
Joel Osteen, in this article, says some things regarding biblical teaching that are absolute kryptonite to a biblical Christian: "I probably don’t get hung up in them because I haven’t really studied them or thought about them. And you know, I just try to let God be the judge of that. I mean, I don’t know. "
I will let the underlined words stand on their own merit without comment.
It still saddens me that Catholic leadership recognizes only the Orthodox as legitimate churches with legitimate Christians.
As a believer in the type of unity Jesus preached in John 17, I will continue to look forward to that day.
However, to view trinitarian, biblical evangelicalism as a challenge greater than a newly minted religion, mormonism, that has Jesus being merely an exalted man born of a father who was an exalted man and ruling over a planet circling some star someplace in the (our?) galaxy is a bit of a reach for me.
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