In my Church we believe this:
“Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it”
You are thinking about the evangelicals and pentecostals who subjugate women. That was a funny cartoon you posted of an evangelical pastor getting off on spanking his wife. Ha ha. When I belonged to Faith, Hope & Love Church in Issaquah WA, we were taught to obey our husbands and that our husbands should have the final say on the big decisions. That was just one of the things I questioned.
I love my Church; I love my Savior Jesus Christ who is my Advocate with the Father. I am thankful every day that some mere human is not my judge. Whew!
P.S. I also attended Kentwood Family Church in Kent WA for a time (Pentecostal Church of God) and one of the brothers accused us women of making him sin because of our clothing.
Again, the evil goofy man in your cartoon is an evangelical or a pentecostal - not a Mormon.
Right.......... And you can't get to the celestial kingdom unless your husband calls you and then the good part, you'll be popping out celestial babies for eternity. You know if you read the bible, it specifically states that nobody will be married in heaven, let alone be a breeding factory for their husband.........
You love your church above Jesus? That's telling.
P.S. I also attended Kentwood Family Church in Kent WA
You're a mormon and you've attended other churches before, tell me, of all the places you've attended, which group talked more about Jesus? Which sang more praises to Jesus. And which devoted more time to a false prophet?
Sandy, you should only put your faith in Jesus. He should be the focus of everything you do. If the churches you've attended didn't follow scripture, leave. But you've put your faith in men instead of Christ.
If you really love Jesus ... read the bible and compare it, word for word with the works and statements of Joseph Smith and Brigham Young.
Apostle Paul spelled it out perfectly in Gal 1 6-9. Read that and pray.
No Other Gospel
6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!
Of course you forget how your mormon prophets and apostles treated women like cattle during the days of polygamy.
The Role of Women in Mormonism - Very troubling.
1. There is no place in the hierarchy for women in the Mormon Church. All women serve under the men. They can never officiate in any ordinance or assist in any way. They cannot even hold their own baby to give it a name and a blessing.
2. No real redress - They have no real voice or redress if it conflicts with a man in authority. Just try it and find out. They might talk big about it, but in reality, it does not exist. Even getting an apology, or acceptance of responsibility from a male is almost always impossible, if a female has been wronged in any way.
3. Secondary to men and even young boys - The position of women in the church is as a "help meet" and and a lot of lip service is given to women's greater "spirituality" However, the fact of the matter is that her son as early as when he becomes an aaronic priest has the headship over his mom.
4. Obedience to men never women - In theory the teachings/doctrine makes a grand attempt to make women equal to men.
Women are to obey the Lord (obedience is the first law of heaven and earth),obey the Priesthood leadership, obey their husbands as they are the Priesthood holders, and obey male leadership in the home (which, technically can be a 12 year old Deacon- on up), etc.
Now to the crux of the matter: the doctrine of obedience is a higher doctrine than equality. Love, in Mormonism is conditional, based on obedience.
Women are not just second class in Mormonism, they are technically third class -- below the Aaronic Priesthood, which is often their sons!
5. Polygamy as a law of heaven is demeaning - Polygamy is seen as the worse disrespect of women and children and feeds into making women obedient, brood-mare slaves.
6. Role of women as mothers - Women are to be the mothers and the men are are to officiate in the priesthood. They are told that this is how Heavenly Father wants it. There is some lip service given to the notion that women are "more spiritual" than men and often given some level of appreciation for their "worthiness" by the leaders.
7. Men must give approval for a woman to have a "calling" - A woman's husband or father is consulted first before a calling is extended to a female.
8.Confession by females to males - A female is commanded to confess her sins and transgressions to a male - husband, bishop,stake presidency, regional representatives, etc, never the other way around.
And since you like to cite Hinkley SD heres one - "Women have their place," [President of the Mormon Church Gordon B. Hinckley] said. "When all is said and done, there's no substitute for having a woman in the home. . . . If you ask our women, you'll find them happy with what they have. They're not out yelling and chanting." Gordon B. Hinckley: March of 1997 the San Francisco Chronicle.
This Baptist knows that you are my sister in Christ. God Bless.
Saundra, we know the domestic violence rate in the Salt Lake City region (55% Mormon) is high.
We know that even in Provo, manipulation of women goes on at a high rate...especially from younger Mormon males.
You don't have to take my word for it; it's an open tale told by BYU profs even in the books they write.
BYU prof was talking about the Mormon doctrine of "personal revelation" in his book Following Christ published by your Mormon church under Deseret Book (1995). Here's what he had to say about Mormon male manipulation:
"I encounter another form of this snare almost every year at BYU. I am regularly approached by some student (male or female, though the majority are female) with the following story: 'Brother Robinson, my boyfriend (or girlfriend, as the case may be) is a returned missionary, and he has a revelation that I am supposed to marry him. I'm not really in love with this person, but should I marry him anyway? I don't want to disobey the Lord.'" (p. 103)
Robinson concluded that "This is someone who is trying to use your religion to manipulate and control you...The Saints need to become more sophisticated in detecting spiritual snake-oil dealers." (p. 104)
While Robinson is right on this count, he utterly fails in the book to identify the root of the problem here. You see, once you have a spiritual snake-oil salesman like Joseph Smith con dozens of women into marrying him, including 11 women already married and cohabitating with their husbands, and once you have Smith injecting this doctrine of open revelation, then the precedent tends to be set. Almost anything goes.
Mormons are always telling other Mormons the Lord this, and the Lord that. Manipulating them so they'll hand over investment $...two more headlines just in less than a week this past week re: more Mormon financial swindlers.
This BYU prof's bottom line conclusion? "For me, one of Elder Delbert L. Stapleys' more memorable observations, and one of my favorite quotations from general authorities, was 'The Saints are suckers.' Many of the Saints are indeed suckers...unfortunately, we will be held accountable for allowing ourselves to be deceived. After all, we have been explicitly forewarned." (pp. 104, 113)
You've been "forewarned" Saundra. Over and over and over again. You've been manipulated. Suckered. Duped. Peddled an alien form of religion. Masterminded by the enemies of darkness.
Even your BYU professors recognize some of this: "The Saints need to become more sophisticated in detecting spiritual snake-oil dealers. Whether they're peddling marriage or plural marriage or revelations or books or politics or special doctrines or special diets or herbs and vitamins or the 'original' Greek (or Hebrew) or financial advice or 'LDS' investments or whatever--if they are using religion to help sell their product or point of view, then they represent the cunning snares of Satan."
It's been pointed out countless times on these sites (by Godzilla) how Smith tried to originally sell off the rights to the Book of Mormon in Canada for pure cash flow reasons.
The sister-in-law (Abigail Harris) of one of the alleged three Book of Mormon witnesses, Martin Harris -- the wife of a Quaker minister -- filled out a sworn affidavit Nov. 28, 1833. She recounted how Martin Harris and his wife was visiting her home, where they discussed the "Mormonites." Abigail in her affidavit related how Martin Harris' wife wanted Martin tio quite Mormonism 'cause "she believed it was all false and a delusion."
Abigail was shocked by Martin Harris' reply: "What if it is a lie; if you will let alone I will make money out of it!" Abigail closed her affidavit by relating: "I was both an eye and an ear witness of what has been stated above, which is now fresh in my memory, and I give it to the world for the good of mankind. I speak truth and lie not, God bearing me witness."
Lucy Harris, Martin's wife, corroborated the claim in her Nov. 29, 1833 statement, saying that she was "realizing that I must give an account at the bar of God for what I say." (Mormonism Unvailed, by E.D. Howe, Zanesville, Ohio, 1834)
In my Church we believe this:
“Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it”
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So what does that mean ???
BTW Got ladder ???