You are the one who asked about my faith, not I you and I have been completely honest as to the current status of my faith even though my name remains on the rolls of the our Lutheran church. Can one not have hope that their church will “come out of her” as YHVH & Yah’shua commanded?
From the time I entered this thread I have simply & consistently pointed out the hypocrisy of one religious doctrine condemning another when their own religious doctrine is anything but pure.
Jesus our Messiah...who completely fulfilled the Law
You obviously only know what Yah’shua meant when he said fulfilled because of what has been taught to you, not by any act on your part to seek what it truly means. You might want to look up in a Hebrew lexicon what the word “believe” is, as in Abraham believed therefore righteousness was counted to him. It is the exact same spelling of the word “establish”; not abolish. Thus the reason Yah’shua said, “if you love me, keep MY Commandments”. He was the Commandments made flesh thus He only spoke the WORD of His Father, YHVH, and thus the great deception continues.
How did sin enter the world? Through lies & deception by perverting the Torah of YHVH and convincing Eve she would not die if she ate from the tree that YHVH had specifically said was off limits & then Eve convincing Adam to partake in the sin. From that moment on, haSatan has been working his tail off to destroy that which keeps YHVH’s house in order & free from chaos that causes destruction. To pick away at the cornerstone of the foundation of YHVH’s House which is Torah. I mean really, the church is more worried about offending the government than it is about offending the great Elohim of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob. Does that make any sense to you? It doesn't me.
Well, a good look at society today, “in the church”, proves that haSatan’s agenda is almost complete.
So pardon the bluntness, but the hypocrisy of so-called righteous religious doctrines that are anything but righteous condemning another is not only offensive to me but more importantly, this condemning is of great offense to YHVH. Why? Because that belongs to HIM, not man.
As Christians we recognize that with out the Law (Torah) men would not know what sin is unless there was a Law which says.. do not or do so
One final point and if you could respond cordially it would be appreciated. If by Yah’shua death, the Torah(Law) that defines sin was also taken away, then what is the continuing purpose of preaching Messiah if that which defines sin no longer exists. How can YHVH hold judgment against anyone, especially from my generation who entered the world centuries after the Torah was abolished, be held accountable for that which does not exist? If we are convicted of sin, it can only be in the flesh due to the law of man not YHVH. Furthermore, according to this logic, even Islam is in covenant with YHVH because the Law of worshiping false gods was also abolished when Yah’shua was crucified.
Now do you see the hypocrisy of any religious doctrine condemning another? You do realize that Torah is all the commands, statutes and instructions for daily living from Genesis through Deuteronomy not just the 10 that are popular by not followed don't you? In Exodus 20, YHVH didn't stop at 10 because HE wanted to, HE stopped out of grace & kindness because HIS children were afraid. Thus the reason for the High priest, the priesthood of the flesh; which by the way the High Priesthood WAS abolished the moment Yah'shua Messiah's blood was shed. In Yah'shua's ecclesia on earth as it is in heaven, the only legitimate High Priest that has any authority over doctrine is Yah'shua and His doctrine is Torah.
Proverbs 4 Security in Wisdom
1 Hear, my children, the instruction of a father, And give attention to know understanding;
2 For I give you good doctrine: Do not forsake my law.
3 When I was my father’s son, Tender and the only one in the sight of my mother,
4 He also taught me, and said to me: “ Let your heart retain my words; Keep my commands, and live.
5 Get wisdom! Get understanding! Do not forget, nor turn away from the words of my mouth.
6 Do not forsake her, and she will preserve you; Love her, and she will keep you.
7 Wisdom is the principal thing; Therefore get wisdom. And in all your getting, get understanding.
8 Exalt her, and she will promote you; She will bring you honor, when you embrace her.
9 She will place on your head an ornament of grace; A crown of glory she will deliver to you.”
10 Hear, my son, and receive my sayings, And the years of your life will be many.
11 I have taught you in the way of wisdom; I have led you in right paths.
12 When you walk, your steps will not be hindered, And when you run, you will not stumble.
13 Take firm hold of instruction, do not let go; Keep her, for she is your life.
14 Do not enter the path of the wicked, And do not walk in the way of evil.
15 Avoid it, do not travel on it; Turn away from it and pass on.
16 For they do not sleep unless they have done evil; And their sleep is taken away unless they make someone fall.
17 For they eat the bread of wickedness, And drink the wine of violence.
18 But the path of the just is like the shining sun,[a] That shines ever brighter unto the perfect day.
19 The way of the wicked is like darkness; They do not know what makes them stumble.
20 My son, give attention to my words; Incline your ear to my sayings.
21 Do not let them depart from your eyes; Keep them in the midst of your heart;
22 For they are life to those who find them, And health to all their flesh.
23 Keep your heart with all diligence, For out of it spring the issues of life.
24 Put away from you a deceitful mouth, And put perverse lips far from you.
25 Let your eyes look straight ahead, And your eyelids look right before you.
26 Ponder the path of your feet, And let all your ways be established.
27 Do not turn to the right or the left; Remove your foot from evil.
It's a bit hard to avoid the TRUTH when it is as plain as this prophesy of YHVH speaking to HIS only Begotten Son, Yah'shua Messiah.
patlin - your arguement on this point is greatly flawed. You are quoting Romans 4:3 - a letter written in Greek, not Hebrew, therefore the GREEK definition of "believe" is what matters, not a Hebrew translation. Variations also found in Gal 3:6 and James 2:26 and in ALL THREE cases, the Greek for "believed" is pisteuō (to think to be true, to be persuaded of, to credit, place confidence in), NOT 'establish'.
I see again your reponse is simply to use the thread to premote your belief that all church doctrine is bogus rather than directly address the conversation...and using a common tactic of posting lines upon lines of information so that one has to navigate the maze of your posts to discern just where you’re acutual response is within the rant and your promotions.
I’ve determined not worth further attempting to dialogue with you....perhaps another ay when you might be more open for actual discussion.