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To: Dutchboy88

You wrote:

“To those whom He adopts, His Spirit begins to soften their hearts and they begin to want Him...deeply.”

How is that not man cooperating with God?

Prevenient grace does not save men. Thus, to say that because it exists, it “may seem like a “forcing” and perhaps it is” is just crazy and has nothing to do with how God works. God calls man. He forces no man to be saved. If we resist God we succeed in our own destruction. We must cooperate with Him to be saved.

http://www.ewtn.com/library/ANSWERS/COOPERAT.htm


70 posted on 10/11/2011 4:30:47 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998
“To those whom He adopts, His Spirit begins to soften their hearts and they begin to want Him...deeply.” How is that not man cooperating with God?

The difference is between regeneration preceding faith and faith commencing regeneration. If you carefully read what I wrote you will notice that men do cooperate with God...once they are saved. Your system requires men to cooperate with God in order to be saved. "We must cooperate with Him to be saved."

Notice the order. This is a monumental difference just as Luke wrote about in Acts 13:48. The Roman system is unbiblical. Also, notice, that if regeneration precedes faith the first move is from God, not men. Recall Paul's conversion on the road to Damascus. No cooperation, no confession, no ceremony was necessary for him to be laid hold of. He was simply knocked to the ground, blinded and told what was going to happen to him. Yes, Ananias, was sent to tell him more, lay hands on him, and baptize him, but Paul was rescued long before these things happened to him. He even notes that he learned he had been set aside from birth for such. Gal. 1:15 Choice? Not according to Paul.

And neither your organization nor any organization can induce salvation in another human being. Paul went around proclaiming forgiveness in the Name of Christ to find out who it was that God's Spirit was rescuing. He did not induce salvation in anyone. That the idea of men being able to take it or leave it is a misunderstanding that is not just resident in Rome. But, Rome is a great perpetrator of the error...an error they need, but an error nonetheless.

74 posted on 10/12/2011 10:15:27 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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