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To: HarleyD; Absolutely Nobama; Elendur; it_ürür; Bockscar; Mary Kochan; Bed_Zeppelin; ...
You are conflating two entirely different issues - which Protestants are wont to do with those issues.
Of course they do. Often they hold to the heretical belief "Once Saved, Always Saved" and sometimes the predestination theory of the "elect" and in those odd heresies the "actual" Church is simply those who are saved. That is why some of them grudgingly "admit" some Catholics may be "saved".

They also misunderstand the hierarchy of worship, having rejected the highest form of Worship, the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, they conflate intercessory prayers TO the Saints and Mary as if we were praying to them as Gods. Since, in their heretical world, worship and prayer are the same, they cannot imagine why we hold to the ancient and Traditional beliefs given to us by Our Lord and His Apostles and the Apostolic Succession.

171 posted on 10/16/2011 7:31:52 AM PDT by narses ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashions." Chesterton)
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To: narses; Absolutely Nobama; Elendur; it_ürür; Bockscar; Mary Kochan; Bed_Zeppelin; Dutchboy88
Often they hold to the heretical belief "Once Saved, Always Saved" and sometimes the predestination theory of the "elect"

That is an excellent point. OSAS is a flawed Protestant doctrine built upon the errors of Rome's Palegius heresy. Unfortunately, as you rightfully point out, many Protestants have fallen for this grievous error. I would point our Protestant brethren to the following confession:

Contrary to the Catholic work oriented belief, Protestants believe there is nothing you can do to work on your salvation. Your salvation is a gift given from God and God will keep you, working with you patiently as a loving Father guiding His children. At time those children may fall into sin and despair, but nothing will separate us from the love the Father has bestowed upon us. There is nothing we had to do for our salvation and there is nothing that we have to do to maintain our salvation. God does it all.

Most Protestants understand these principles although they have their doctrine skewed by years of listening to Rome's work based errors. Feeling people need to go to confession, take grace, do penitence, pray the Rosary, etc., is nothing more than reducing Christianity down to religion with ceremonial steps to achieve the goal of salvation.

This was certainly not the view given to us by Our Lord.

I suspect this exchange is lost on Catholics.
174 posted on 10/17/2011 4:56:44 PM PDT by HarleyD
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