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To: Dutchboy88

You wrote:

” don’t doubt this a bit. It seems certain (although I do not know your mind) that you sincerely believe that the Roman cult is the true organization founded by Jesus.”

Jesus founded the Catholic Church. It does not surprise me that a non-believer like you would accuse Jesus of starting a Roman cult.

“Had its doctrines aligned with the Scriptures, you might have a point. Sadly, that is not the case. However, there is hope in Jesus, alone. He can rescue even the most entrapped individuals.”

I hope He rescues you. Clearly that has not happened yet.

“No groups, just individuals. He might have you in His sights.”

He got me many years ago. That’s why I am not a Protestant.

“If so, you will be dragged into His kingdom and you will find the blessed hope of Him, alone.”

I won’t dragged anywhere by God. He doesn’t do that to those whom He wants to love Him freely.

“No Rome, no org., no trappings...just Him.”

I hope one day you come to believe in Christ rather than just attacking His Church and apparently making things up out of thin air.


156 posted on 10/15/2011 4:03:38 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Anti-Catholics have to lie. Notice how the anti-Catholic lies?)
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To: vladimir998; Dutchboy88
Jesus founded the Catholic Church. It does not surprise me that a non-believer like you would accuse Jesus of starting a Roman cult.

I haven't followed this conversation but this statement was rather curious and in need of correction:

1) Our Lord Jesus founded the church-not Catholic Church. I am sure that you would agree that He would not wish to be associated with those who hoard vast amount of wealth in vaults or see his ministers of the gospel living in palaces while preaching the need to erase poverty to the masses. This, my friend, sounds like the Democrats.

2) I'm a bit surprise to see a Catholic admit that our Lord Jesus founded the church and not Peter. Perhaps this was a clerical error or oversight.

3) As far as Dutchboy's salvation is concerned, rarely can we tell if others are saved or not. We can, according to the gospel, look after our own salvation but have no idea of the status of others. Catholics tend to have this exactly backwards (or perhaps sideways). They will tell you that they don't know who is saved except in rare exceptions of those saints they're sure popped up on a Post Toasty or made Aunt Myrtle's warts go away. Catholics will also tell you that if you follow all the various "steps" such as confession, baptism, receiving grace through communion, etc, then you are guarantee (well-maybe) a seat in the kingdom. But, as a footnote, I noted that rarely can you tell if another is saved. I'm sure that you will take great comfort in noting that our friend Dutchboy exhibits all the characteristics of salvation; which is to believe in your heart that Jesus is Lord, and confess with your lips that God raised Him from the dead. If the angels of heaven have rejoiced can we do no less?

4) In regards to Jesus starting a Roman cult, the truth of the matter is that God is in complete and utter control of all things. We are a stubborn people who fail God constantly. Cults are raised up by God to help show us the follies of our ways and the error of our doctrine. I would refer you to Leviticus 18-20 where God specifically warns the people of Israel not to sacrifice their children to Molech. Yet by the time they got to Solomon, Solomon built a splendid temple to Molech for that very purpose (1 King 11:7). Solomon couldn't see the errors or simply wished to ignore them even though God had warned him through His scriptures; much to his detriment. We are warned to measure everything against scripture. There is not much difference from the Roman Catholic Church introduction of extra supporting writings then the Book of Mormonism or the Jehovah Witnesses' books. One only hopes that they learn the lesson that Solomon failed to grasp.

162 posted on 10/16/2011 3:07:08 AM PDT by HarleyD
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