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To: svcw
lds teach that their god had physical sex with Mary IE created

No we don't. Absolutely not.

Honestly, I'd be embarrassed to discuss religion with someone of another faith where my side of the conversation was telling them what they believe and their side of the conversation was "No, we don't believe that." I wonder how long it would take before I got the message that I was misinformed somewhere along the line.

29 posted on 10/03/2011 10:22:02 AM PDT by oremites
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To: oremites

Bruce McConkie, in perhaps the most explicit denial of the virgin birth, wrote,

“Christ was begotten by an immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers.” (Mormon Doctrine, 1966, p. 547)

From lds.org: There is no doubt that the idea of physical relations between God and Mary has been clearly advocated in the Church by such authorities as Brigham Young [1], Orson Pratt [2], Heber C. Kimball [3], Joseph F. Smith, [4], Joseph Fielding Smith [5], James E. Talmage [6], Melvin J. Ballard [7], J. Reuben Clark [8], Bruce R. McConkie [9], and Ezra Taft Benson [10]. Mormons believe that Christ was literally the Son of God in the flesh, and he was conceived in a natural, physical way according to eternal law.

“Christ Not Begotten of Holy Ghost... Christ was begotten of God. He was not born without the aid of Man, and that Man was God!” (Doctrines of Salvation, Joseph Fielding Smith, 1954, 1:18).

“These name-titles all signify that our Lord is the only Son of the Father in the flesh. Each of the words is to be understood literally. Only means only; Begotten means begotten; and Son means son. Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers.” (Mormon Doctrine, 1979, pages 546-47)


35 posted on 10/03/2011 10:33:57 AM PDT by svcw (Those who are easily shocked... should be shocked more often. - Mae West)
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To: oremites

Your answer is not entirely correct...\

Several Mormon apostles who were in a position of authority did absolutely teach that god had physical sex with Mary. Their statements have not been refuted by the LDS.

“The birth of the Savior was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood-—was begotten of his Father as we were of our fathers” (Journal of Discourses vol.8, p.115); and “when the Virgin Mary conceived the child Jesus, the Father had begotten him in his own likeness [flesh and blood]. He was not begotten by the Holy Ghost” (Journal of Discourses, vol.1, p.50).

Brigham Young insisted: “I will say that I was naturally begotten; so was my father, and also my Savior Jesus Christ...he is the first begotten of his father in the flesh, and there was nothing unnatural about it” (Journal of Discourses vol.8, p.211); “Now remember from this time forth, and for ever, that Jesus Christ was not begotten by the Holy Ghost” (Journal of Discourses, vol.1, p.51).

Orson Pratt (LDS apostle) taught: “the Father and Mother of Jesus, according to the flesh, must have been associated together in the capacity of Husband and Wife…as God was the first husband to her, it may be that He only gave her to be the wife of Joseph while in this mortal state, and that He intended after the resurrection to again take her as one of his own wives to raise up immortal spirits in eternity” (The Seer. p.158, 1853).

Joseph Fielding Smith wrote: “The birth of the Savior was a natural occurrence unattended by any degree of mysticism, and the Father God was the literal parent of Jesus in the flesh as well as in the spirit” (Religious Truths Defined, p.44).

“Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers” (Mormon Doctrine, p. 547, 1979).


43 posted on 10/03/2011 10:51:38 AM PDT by Turtlepower
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To: oremites
I wonder how long it would take before I got I got the message that I was misinformed somewhere along the line.

Yep...just how long WOULD it take before you get the message that you are misinformed somewhere ALL along the line??

It's sad to see someone who knows so little about their own belief try to defend it against those who actually DO know much about that belief. I predict that a co-religionist will privately inform you that you are overmatched.

Blind faith is just that....blind.

52 posted on 10/03/2011 11:04:45 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Obama has made it official now..a white is only 3/5s a person in the US. Diversity wins.)
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To: oremites
No we don't. Absolutely not.

You should REALLY study up on MORMONism and find out what it teaches!



71 posted on 10/03/2011 11:22:51 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: oremites
Honestly, I'd be embarrassed to discuss religion with someone of another faith where my side of the conversation was telling them what they believe and their side of the conversation was "No, we don't believe that."

Then don't do it!

TELL us what you believe, and give the SCRIPTURE to back up what you believe.

Is that too much to ask?

After all, WE will be providing QUOTES from MORMON leadership and/or MORMON scripture to back up what we are asserting.

72 posted on 10/03/2011 11:24:59 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: oremites; svcw

lds teach that their god had physical sex with Mary IE created

No we don’t. Absolutely not.

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YES THEY DO. Want sources from your leaders?


94 posted on 10/03/2011 8:11:15 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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