I gave you the scripture its Gen 16:3, it says clearly she was given to be his wife. You don’t call your adulturous lover a ‘wife’. You’re going to have to give me the scripture where God condems Abraham for adultery as he did for example with David - he doesn’t, because he didn’t commit it. Your condemnation of Abraham for adultery is without support in the scriptures. You don’t know that he wasn’t married to Hagaar, and in fact the only scripture we have on the matter Gen 16:3 says she was his wife. Yes Abraham did send Hagaar and Ishmael away, but only after they threatened Isaac and he was forced to. Tell me was Jacob guilty of adultery in marrying both Leah and Rachel? I don’t think so and you’re in denial if you don’t think God on occasion sanctioned polygamy in OT times. I never said that the child of promise would come through Hagaar. Yes we all sin and fall short, but not all sin is equal in gravity either. I find it incomprehensible the God would choose to bless Abraham in the way that he did were he the type of person to commit so grevious a sin as adultery, and had he done so that blessing would have been given to another more worthy. In every other case where so signifcant a figure commits so serious a sin the scriptures clearly record the condemnation of God for the sin. You’ll need to show me where God condemned Abraham for marrying Hagaar. I don’t have any longing to legitimize Ishmael. While there may be as you say no hint that God told Abraham to produce a child with Hagaar, neither do I find condemnation of it. The promise in Gen 17 that Sarah would bear him a son was given after Ishmael was born. The fact that God told Abraham after Ishmael’s birth that he would still have a son through Sarah and that through him the promised blessing would come indicates to me that God did not consider him guilty of so grevious a sin as adultery. Sexual sin is among the most grevious in the eyes of God and I find it inconsistent that God would continue to work through someone guilty of so great a sin.
Friend, I think we’ll have to agree to disagree.
It says Sarah "gave" Hagar to "be his wife". Sarah sinned. The Scripture never says one word that this was what God wanted.
You’re going to have to give me the scripture where God condems Abraham for adultery as he did for example with David - he doesn’t, because he didn’t commit it.
Abraham didn't commit adultery? Which woman did God command Abraham to send away along with her child? Sarah or Hagar? Which woman was the legal, legitimate wife and which was the adultery partner?
Your condemnation of Abraham for adultery is without support in the scriptures. You don’t know that he wasn’t married to Hagaar, and in fact the only scripture we have on the matter Gen 16:3 says she was his wife.
What would your word for God commanding Abraham to force Hagar to take her child and leave and the fact that God curses Ishmael with the prophecy that Ishmael and his descendents would constantly be at conflict with each other and the rest of the world be? Blessing?
The Scripture you refer to only tells us that Sarah, not God, refers to Hagar as Abraham's "wife". Nowhere in the Bible does it say that the adulterous union between Abraham and Hagar was legal or sanctioned by God. Sarah calling Hagar Abraham's "wife" is meaningless. God never says that Hagar was Abraham's "wife". Just because the Bible records something does not mean that God agrees with it. The Bible also records the fact that Sodom and Gomorrah were cities where homosexuality was practiced by almost everyone there. God also condemns homosexuality. So which is it? Does the fact that God records that homosexuality was happening means that He agrees with it? God commands man not to commit adultery. So does that then mean that because God records the fact that Sarah took it upon herself to call Hagar Abraham's "wife" so that it would look better when they committed adultery, He agrees with the adultery?
Yes Abraham did send Hagaar and Ishmael away, but only after they threatened Isaac and he was forced to.
That's odd. God told Abraham:
But God said to Abraham, “Do not be distressed because of the lad and your maid; whatever Sarah tells you, listen to her... (Genesis 21:12)
Why would God tell Abraham to send his legitimate "wife" away? Why didn't God force Sarah to go away? Who was the "wife" whom God ordered to leave? If Hagar and her son were legitimate, why did God order them to leave?
Tell me was Jacob guilty of adultery in marrying both Leah and Rachel?
Aside from the fact that Jacob was deceived into marrying Leah, I would have to say, based on the word of God that yes, he committed adultery by having two wives:
Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh. (Genesis 2:24) This passage speaks of “a man” and “his wife” not “men” or “his wives.”
I don’t think so and you’re in denial if you don’t think God on occasion sanctioned polygamy in OT times. I never said that the child of promise would come through Hagaar. Yes we all sin and fall short, but not all sin is equal in gravity either. I find it incomprehensible the God would choose to bless Abraham in the way that he did were he the type of person to commit so grevious a sin as adultery, and had he done so that blessing would have been given to another more worthy.
Again, I'll need Scripture to validate your assertions. And I'll especially need the Scripture which explicitly states that God did not carry out the Abrahamic covenant, and if you can find that you can include the Scripture which says that the Abrahamic covenant was not completed due to Abraham's sin with Hagar. So far, you have failed to produce any Scripture which substantiates any of what you have claimed.
In every other case where so signifcant a figure commits so serious a sin the scriptures clearly record the condemnation of God for the sin. You’ll need to show me where God condemned Abraham for marrying Hagaar. I don’t have any longing to legitimize Ishmael. While there may be as you say no hint that God told Abraham to produce a child with Hagaar, neither do I find condemnation of it. The promise in Gen 17 that Sarah would bear him a son was given after Ishmael was born. The fact that God told Abraham after Ishmael’s birth that he would still have a son through Sarah and that through him the promised blessing would come indicates to me that God did not consider him guilty of so grevious a sin as adultery. Sexual sin is among the most grevious in the eyes of God and I find it inconsistent that God would continue to work through someone guilty of so great a sin. Friend, I think we’ll have to agree to disagree.
The fact that God ordered Abraham to listen to his wife Sarah and send Hagar away was the condemnation of Abraham's adultery with Hagar.
As for the rest of your post, you have provided not one verse of Scripture to back up what you have claimed.
The fact remains that Ishmael was illegitimate, and has no claim to anything that God promised to the Jews or gave to the Jews.
You have provided no Scriptural proof to the contrary.