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To: reaganaut

It is fine, it is only hate when you condemn a person to a determined future

That is a curse and a sin in of itself.

You can condemn Mormonism all day long non-stop ... I was only pointing out that you catch more flies with Honey than Vinegar.

But there is nothing wrong with it at all. Have at it.

Our goal is to bring people back to the fold, save them, not push them away.

They Holy Spirit will enter their hearts and humble it to the teachings of the Church. God has the power, you have to trust in him.


336 posted on 09/06/2011 6:59:23 PM PDT by dila813
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To: dila813
I was only pointing out that you catch more flies with Honey than Vinegar.

Who wants FLIES???


Jesus is pointing out the woman's sin: how 'loving' is that?


John 4

1 Now Jesus learned that the Pharisees had heard that he was gaining and baptizing more disciples than John— 2 although in fact it was not Jesus who baptized, but his disciples. 3 So he left Judea and went back once more to Galilee.

4 Now he had to go through Samaria. 5 So he came to a town in Samaria called Sychar, near the plot of ground Jacob had given to his son Joseph. 6 Jacob’s well was there, and Jesus, tired as he was from the journey, sat down by the well. It was about noon.

7 When a Samaritan woman came to draw water, Jesus said to her, “Will you give me a drink?” 8 (His disciples had gone into the town to buy food.)

9 The Samaritan woman said to him, “You are a Jew and I am a Samaritan woman. How can you ask me for a drink?” (For Jews do not associate with Samaritans.[a])

10 Jesus answered her, “If you knew the gift of God and who it is that asks you for a drink, you would have asked him and he would have given you living water.”

11 “Sir,” the woman said, “you have nothing to draw with and the well is deep. Where can you get this living water? 12 Are you greater than our father Jacob, who gave us the well and drank from it himself, as did also his sons and his livestock?”

13 Jesus answered, “Everyone who drinks this water will be thirsty again, 14 but whoever drinks the water I give them will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give them will become in them a spring of water welling up to eternal life.”

15 The woman said to him, “Sir, give me this water so that I won’t get thirsty and have to keep coming here to draw water.”

16 He told her, “Go, call your husband and come back.”

17 “I have no husband,” she replied.

Jesus said to her, “You are right when you say you have no husband. 18 The fact is, you have had five husbands, and the man you now have is not your husband. What you have just said is quite true.”

19 “Sir,” the woman said, “I can see that you are a prophet. 20 Our ancestors worshiped on this mountain, but you Jews claim that the place where we must worship is in Jerusalem.”

21 “Woman,” Jesus replied, “believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. 22 You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”

25 The woman said, “I know that Messiah” (called Christ) “is coming. When he comes, he will explain everything to us.”

26 Then Jesus declared, “I, the one speaking to you—I am he.”27 Just then his disciples returned and were surprised to find him talking with a woman. But no one asked, “What do you want?” or “Why are you talking with her?”

28 Then, leaving her water jar, the woman went back to the town and said to the people, 29Come, see a man who told me everything I ever did. Could this be the Messiah?” 30 They came out of the town and made their way toward him.

408 posted on 09/06/2011 8:26:38 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: dila813
They Holy Spirit will enter their hearts and humble it to the teachings of the Church.

Ah...

I see what church now.

409 posted on 09/06/2011 8:27:25 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: dila813

It is fine, it is only hate when you condemn a person to a determined future

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Telling someone they are headed for Hell isn’t condemning or hate, it is the truth. It is also the first part of recognizing you need Jesus to pay for your sins.

And you don’t catch more flies with honey than vinegar when dealing with a cult that brainwashes it members.

I have been in counter-cult ministry for almost 20 years (since I left Mormonism). I know what I am doing and it isn’t pushing people away, it is getting them to think for themselves which is the real challenge when dealing with Mormons.

Only God can convert, but he uses US to spread the information and that often involves confrontation about what is true and biblical and what is false.

You are judging a method of ministry to a people that you have no idea how to reach and a cult you have never been part of. I’ve been there, I know many many ex-mormons and I know what works and only once God starts to open their eyse do they see Mormonism for what it really is (a demonic cult).

Anger is a powerful motivator to get them to think and research and REALLY read the Bible without Mormon glasses. That is how God opens their eyes.

Get back to me on ministry methods when you have walked my path and the path of many other ex-mo Christians. Until then you are doing what you condemn, judging me.


444 posted on 09/06/2011 8:56:14 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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