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Glenn Beck's "pure personal truth," Part 1 [Real Mormonism]
RenewAmerica.com ^ | Sept. 6, 2011 | Marsha West

Posted on 09/06/2011 8:15:09 AM PDT by Colofornian

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To: Mamzelle
Jesus told us how to recognize Christians. He said that their fruits would show them.

You've been taught wrong:

Matthew 7:15-20

King James Version (KJV)

15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

16Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.


121 posted on 09/06/2011 11:13:06 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: svcw
'Beck thinks he is an expert on everything.' No, Glen does not think that. He has a very good staf of resaearchers and friends who send to him all manner of material, which he pours over and absorbs.

Glen has on numerous occasions stated that he is no expert, that he wants us to do our own work, dig out the facts and use the material he brings to the publc if we can. In fact, it is Glen's admission that he is in the dark on so many things and has been working to become aware in some areas which he shares with us that sets him apart from the usual media pundits!

Glen Beck is caught up in a cult. There is real demonic power in mormonism. It is because of the usual human traits --a need for acceptance, a need to try and be good, finally, and a need to obtain absolution from what the soul comes to realize is a sin-drenched self-- these are the human traits which made Glen susceptible to the deceits in Mormonism. But Glen does not proclaim himself an expert, so please do not mischaracterize him that way.

122 posted on 09/06/2011 11:13:18 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: johngrace
If you can say this in the personal pronoun and mean it with all your heart 1John 4 then you are a genuine Christ:

So you're saying I can be a Christ?

123 posted on 09/06/2011 11:14:14 AM PDT by Osage Orange (Marine Sniper - "You can run, but you'll just die tired!")
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To: Steamburg
If you have to play My God’s better than your God. You have proved your opinion is worthless in the first sentence.

And if you don't; you've exposed yourself as an Oprahite.

124 posted on 09/06/2011 11:14:19 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: dila813
Christianity means belief in Christ, nothing more, nothing less

Matthew 24:24

King James Bible

For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.


 

125 posted on 09/06/2011 11:17:47 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: MHGinTN

Well, then he has changed since I last listened. Like I said I have not seen or nor watched him in awhile.


126 posted on 09/06/2011 11:19:38 AM PDT by svcw (iphone 5 release date late October - rats)
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To: Tax Government
Let’s talk about the fundamental error (or maybe just misdirection) of Christianity, it is usually practiced.

Go for it.

Bring out a BIG package of red herrings for us to discuss.

127 posted on 09/06/2011 11:20:11 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Osage Orange

I meant Christian! So sorry! I did not reread to correct when on tablet it is harder to reread not like computer. No a follower of Christ. Thanks for pointing out right away. Thanks.


128 posted on 09/06/2011 11:21:12 AM PDT by johngrace (1 John 4)
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To: MHGinTN
Yes, I could give you the verses, but it appears you are in need of opening and reading your Bible ...

Sigh...

I have to do the heavy lifting again!

;^)

129 posted on 09/06/2011 11:21:51 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Turtlepower
You asked why were there attacks on mormonism...the reason is because Christians believe mormonism is a false religion.

KNOW!!

We have the BIBLE as a guide to identifying them!

130 posted on 09/06/2011 11:23:10 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: johngrace

Post 120 correction - I meant Christian were it reads Christ! So sorry!


131 posted on 09/06/2011 11:23:39 AM PDT by johngrace (1 John 4)
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To: panaxanax
What a laugh.

What do 'MORMONs' call Flds folks?

132 posted on 09/06/2011 11:24:17 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: runninglips
I will not take that burden on.

In politics; it's called spineless.

I do not know if FR has a definition for it; yet.

133 posted on 09/06/2011 11:26:03 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: dila813
You are really a hater....

BINGO!!

We have a winner!

134 posted on 09/06/2011 11:26:53 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Colofornian

Hi Colofornian- on post 120 I meant Christian were I put Christ. Thanks


135 posted on 09/06/2011 11:27:34 AM PDT by johngrace (1 John 4)
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To: dila813

chris·tian
Noun: A person who has received Christian baptism or is a believer in Jesus Christ and his teachings.
__________________________________________

This thread is about Glenn beck

Whats the LORD Jesus Christ of the Christian Bible got to do with the Mormon Glenn Beck ???

Beck did not even mention the LORD Jesus Christ during his time in Israel...

and he equated Christianity to Islam...

moslem:
Noun: A person who is a believer in Mohammad and his teachings...

Nowe THAT fits what Beck believes...


136 posted on 09/06/2011 11:27:46 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: runninglips
Throw out the personal, and discuss doctrine in a “clean” manner. I will join in gladly.

Ok...





"You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind.

The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings.

This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race--that they should be the 'servant of servants', and they will be, until that curse is removed."

Brigham Young-President and second 'Prophet' of the Mormon Church, 1844-1877- Extract from Journal of Discourses.



Here are two examples from their 'other testament', the Book of Mormon.

2 Nephi 5: 21 'And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.'

Alma 3: 6 'And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men.'



August 27, 1954 in an address at Brigham Young University (BYU), Mormon Elder, Mark E Peterson, in speaking to a convention of teachers of religion at the college level, said:

"The discussion on civil rights, especially over the last 20 years, has drawn some very sharp lines. It has blinded the thinking of some of our own people, I believe. They have allowed their political affiliations to color their thinking to some extent.I think I have read enough to give you an idea of what the Negro is after."

"He is not just seeking the opportunity of sitting down in a cafe where white people eat. He isn't just trying to ride on the same streetcar or the same Pullman car with white people. It isn't that he just desires to go to the same theater as the white people. From this, and other interviews I have read, it appears that the Negro seeks absorption with the white race. He will not be satisfied until he achieves it by intermarriage."

"That is his objective and we must face it. We must not allow our feelings to carry us away, nor must we feel so sorry for Negroes that we will open our arms and embrace them with everything we have. Remember the little statement that we used to say about sin, 'First we pity, then endure, then embrace'...."

(Rosa Parks would have probably told Petersen under which wheel of the bus he should go sit.)



1967, (then) Mormon President Ezra Taft Benson said,

"The Communist program for revolution in America has been in progress for many years and is far advanced. First of all, we must not place the blame upon Negroes. They are merely the unfortunate group that has been selected by professional Communist agitators to be used as the primary source of cannon fodder."



We are told that on June 8, 1978, it was 'revealed' to the then president, Spencer Kimball, that people of color could now gain entry into the priesthood.

According to the church, Kimball spent many long hours petitioning God, begging him to give worthy black people the priesthood. God finally relented.



Sometime before the 'revelation' came to chief 'Prophet' Spencer Kimball in June 1978, General Authority, Bruce R McConkie had said:

"The Blacks are denied the Priesthood; under no circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty.

The Negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain blessings are concerned, particularly the priesthood and the temple blessings that flow there from, but this inequality is not of man's origin, it is the Lord's doings."

(Mormon Doctrine, pp. 526-527).



When Mormon 'Apostle' Mark E Petersen spoke on 'Race Problems- As they affect the Church' at the BYU campus in 1954, the following was also said:

"...if the negro accepts the gospel with real, sincere faith, and is really converted, to give him the blessings of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory."



When Mormon 'Prophet' and second President of the Church, Brigham Young, spoke in 1863 the following was also said:

"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God is death on the spot. This will always be so."

(Journal of Discourses, Vo. 10, p. 110)





Yeah; Native Americans are althroughout the Book of MORMON; too.

 

“I saw a striking contrast in the progress of the Indian people today ... they are fast becoming a white and delightsome people.... For years they have been growing delightsome, and they are now becoming white and delightsome, as they were promised.... The children in the home placement program in Utah are often lighter than their brothers and sisters in the hogans on the reservation.

At one meeting a father and mother and their sixteen-year-old daughter were present, the little member girl-sixteen-sitting between the dark father and mother, and it was evident she was several shades lighter than her parents—on the same reservation, in the same hogan, subject to the same sun and wind and weather.... These young members of the Church are changing to whiteness and to delightsomeness.

One white elder jokingly said that he and his companion were donating blood regularly to the hospital in the hope that the process might be accelerated.

 

(Improvement Era, December 1960, pp.922-23). (p. 209)

 



 

137 posted on 09/06/2011 11:28:28 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Mamzelle
I very quickly find hostile cranks and rants and un-gentle behavior.

Whoops!!

Matthew 10:34

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth:
I came not to send peace, but a sword.

138 posted on 09/06/2011 11:29:49 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: dila813

chris·tian
Noun: A person who has received Christian baptism or is a believer in Jesus Christ and his teachings.
__________________________________________

AH no

A person can be dunked till they are water logged

but that wont make them a Christian

A person can be dead dunked in the Mormon temple

but that wont make them a Christian...

You either didnt notice the “or” in your post

or it doesnt matter to you...


139 posted on 09/06/2011 11:30:41 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: dila813
Like I said, ask him ... you set as judge jury and executioner, can you at least question the accused?

Hey, don't confuse people with the facts !

'Sides, you're disrupting Tuesday's Three Minutes Hate, don'tcha know.

140 posted on 09/06/2011 11:30:54 AM PDT by jimt (Fear is the darkroom where negatives are developed.)
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