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To: Elsie
Wait a minute. Few focused arguments can argue against every point at once. This is a bogus objection.

I'm sorry. Nothing personal. But I get mightily sick of 'the other side' raising an issue and then objecting that an argument against ONE aspect of it is not an argument against ALL aspects of it.

Work with me here. TWO (at least) arguments are raised against the intercession of the saints. ONE is that they're supposedly dead. ANOTHER is that it makes no sense to ask for the prayers of another person since we all have direct access to our Lord.

The argument against the matter of their being dead or having died is ONE argument. The argument against whether it makes sense to ask for the intercession of anybody but Jesus is ANOTHER argument.

Now, IF the aim is to obfuscate, to confuse, or to avoid the appearance of having been refuted, then it makes rhetorical sense, but not 'sense' in the more important meaning of the word, to criticize the OTHER argument because it does not address the issues of the ONE argument.

But if the aim is to examine the issues with the use of reason, then to raise the issue of "I see dead people" when we're looking at "whether there's a good reason to ask for the intercession of anybody but Jesus" is in the theological world what demagoguery is in the political.

Are we about trying to think clearly and to approach the Truth, or are we about appearing to vanquish our opponents and sowing confusion?

4,433 posted on 09/21/2011 5:00:33 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Jesus, I trust in you.)
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To: Mad Dawg

I see dead people...


4,444 posted on 09/21/2011 5:55:13 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Mad Dawg
Are we about trying to think clearly and to approach the Truth, or are we about appearing to vanquish our opponents and sowing confusion?

When the FIRST happens; the the SECOND is the result; don't you think?

4,445 posted on 09/21/2011 5:56:34 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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