[vladimir998]

You wrote:

“With regard to any subject not just history, my primary interest concerns Jesus Christ who is God enfleshed as a Jew.”

So, you are now essentially contradicting yourself.

“From the Jewish perspective, the inquisition began as an internal Christian matter but became a pretext for harassing them including burning many copies of the Talmud, forced conversions, deaths and expulsions. The story of Antonio Jose de Silva is a case in point.”

1) There is no “Jewish perspective” on the inquisition. Kamen shows you are simply wrong on that score. He is Jewish.

2) The inquisition could not try Jews unless they violated natural law for their jurisdiction covered only Christians so you can put away fantasies about “forced conversions, deaths and expulsions” - none of that was the practice of the inquisition.

3) Antonio Jose de Silva was a baptized Christian as had been his parents - thus he came under the authority of the inquisition in his country. If he was a Jew, that would not have been a case. We was already under arrest when he was but 21 years old for judaizing. He was tortured for information, confessed, was penanced and released. Years later after making hundreds of enemies he was denounced by one of his slaves for judaizing. The evidence came out: he had undergone Jewish circumcision while also joinging a Franciscan order to trick people. Terrible duplicity indeed. Silva clearly was disloyal to both religions. That’s bound to get you in trouble with someone.

“So yes, I am curious whether the Jews are satisfied with the inquisition revisionism.”

Kamen is a Jew. He used the original sources. Care to refute him?

“But as with all things, the important part is whether Christ is satisfied with it.”

And you’re going to judge that? How would Christ judge de Silva for his duplicity?

[Alamo-Girl]

Kamen can no more speak for the Jewish people than vladimir998 can speak for the Catholic Church.

When it comes to Jewish/Catholic relations concerning the crusades, inquisition or holocaust one is well advised to keep abreast of the International Catholic-Jewish Liaison Committee.

There is no “Jewish perspective” on the inquisition.

Since you deny there is a Jewish perspective on the inquisition, I strongly recommend you read about the limpieza de sangre (purity of blood) inquisition doctrines which found people with Jewish or Muslim ancestors to be inferior - and history concerning the terms Marranos, Conversos, and New Christians

Estimates vary regarding the actual number of Conversos who died in the fires of the Inquisition. Based on statistics drawn from the records of Autos da fe, as many as 8,000 may have been burned at the stake. Jewish Virtual Library estimates that, in addition to “Conversos” directly murdered by the Spanish Inquisition, “[t]ens of thousands of refugees [expelled from Spain by the 1492 edict] died while trying to reach safety.”

In response to fear of the “Jewish Influence” posed by the Conversos, the Inquisition took a step beyond determining the degree of sincerity of the new Catholics by extending their investigation into Catholic pedigree back generations. Purity of blood, or limpieza de sangre, became the hallmark of who was, and not, a Catholic.

“Now Jewishness is… a permanent inborn characteristic that even baptism does not remove,” (Nicholls, William, 1993, Christian Antisemitism, A History of Hate, p. xxi). “Those who wished to hold public office had to present a certificate … showing that there were no Jews in their lineage, that they were free of… mala sangre, bad blood (ibid. pp. xx-xxi).

Purity of Blood and the Spanish Inquisition (7/17/11)

Note the date. Kamen has not settled the issue for the Jews.

I also suggest you read closely a few posts by Mad Dawg, Natural Law and yes, even Rummel. Inquisition atrocities were politically motivated – they had to do with obtaining and securing power.

Religion was the excuse for the inquisition, divine right colonization, forced conversions, witch hunts, ritualistic sacrifice, crusades, Islamic terrorism, etc.

Witches, btw, were the prime focus of the Protestant version of the Catholic Inquisition (which also prosecuted witches.)

And religion has been the pretext for killing Christians. Even in the crucifixion, Caiaphas thought he was securing the safety or power of the Jewish people by turning Jesus over to die – and his statement was correct but not in the way he meant it:

And one of them, [named] Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all, Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not. And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;

And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad. Then from that day forth they took counsel together for to put him to death. – John 11:49-53

They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me. – John 16:2-3

Of course, Gamaliel was also prophetic without realizing it:

And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought: But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God. – Acts 5:38-39

Christians and Jews have been persecuted and driven all over the world. Jews in particular have been brutalized defamed and slaughtered and yet, after 2000 years - which entailed the crusades, the inquisition and the holocaust - have returned to their own homeland.

For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this [is] my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

As concerning the gospel, [they are] enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, [they are] beloved for the fathers' sakes.

For the gifts and calling of God [are] without repentance. - Romans 11:25-29

God’s Name is I AM.