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To: boatbums

Oh Lord, how many times do I have to explain it.

Paragraph 838 refers to Protestants. This is in the Christian section.

Paragraph 839 and 840 refer to the Jews who received God’s revelation first.

Paragraph 841 puts the Muslims first amongst all the rest because they have a very imperfect understanding of God, being a Jewish or Christian (or both) heresy. They are in the non Christian section.

Here’s a hint: look at the sections. Words mean something. They don’t mean them to mean what you want them to mean when you want them to mean it. That is the difference between Catholicism and you guys.

Muslims trace their roots back to Abraham. Just as we and the Jews do. We are the only 3 who do. Bone up on history, it might prove informative.


134 posted on 09/03/2011 5:57:36 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move m to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr; metmom; RnMomof7
Here’s a hint: look at the sections. Words mean something. They don’t mean them to mean what you want them to mean when you want them to mean it. That is the difference between Catholicism and you guys.

Muslims trace their roots back to Abraham. Just as we and the Jews do. We are the only 3 who do. Bone up on history, it might prove informative.

I have no desire to make this another Saturday nite in the War Zone with Catholics VS Protestants. Perhaps you enjoy this as an opportunity to tell us how "dishonest" we are or that we are all "idiots" because we don't genuflect to your Pope. I do not wish to waste a good weekend night on internet "wrasslin". Entertain the thought that perhaps y'all need to bone up on history. If you seriously think that Allah is in any way the same as Jehovah, you have not apparently bothered to read the Koran's description of him. Here's a hint: Allah is not the Creator. Allah is not a Trinity. Jesus is NOT the son of Allah.

There's more than enough to convince an honest Christian that we do NOT worship the same God as Muslims. I know it must be difficult to accept that your very own Catechism, written by your magesterium, can contain errors. Those who desire truth will be rewarded by the source and giver of all truth. Those who blindly follow a tradition do not have the same confidence.

136 posted on 09/03/2011 6:23:19 PM PDT by boatbums ( God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: MarkBsnr; metmom
Paragraph 838 refers to Protestants. This is in the Christian section.

838 "The Church knows that she is joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter."322 Those "who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in a certain, although imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church."323 With the Orthodox Churches, this communion is so profound "that it lacks little to attain the fullness that would permit a common celebration of the Lord's Eucharist."

So, tell me, if you insist this refers to the "Protestants", then why all the recriminations and condemnations all the time on this forum? Why the constant insistence that we are all a bunch of heretics? Why, if your magesterium considers us "Christian", must all y'all refuse the same hand of fellowship? We are certainly accepting that some Catholics are among the wheat and the sheep of Christ.

You said: Words mean something. They don’t mean them to mean what you want them to mean when you want them to mean it. That is the difference between Catholicism and you guys. If that is so, then why don't you seem to acknowledge that we are indeed brothers and sisters in Christ? I've said all along that the Body of Christ is a spiritual body that is the universal called-out assembly of believers in Jesus Christ, but I get called a "Gnostic" or whatever else the heretic word of the day is. Don't we deserve some kind of apology?

157 posted on 09/03/2011 8:42:20 PM PDT by boatbums ( God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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