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My Faith: Rep. Keith Ellison (D-MN), from Catholic to Muslim
CNN ^ | 9/1/11 | Chris Welch

Posted on 09/02/2011 9:07:47 AM PDT by marshmallow

Minneapolis, Minnesota (CNN) –Prior to 2006, few people even knew that then-Minnesota state legislator Keith Ellison was a Muslim. Because of his English name, he said, no one thought to ask.

But five years ago, when he ran for a seat in the United States House of Representatives - a race he would go on to win - word of his religious affiliation began to spread.

“When I started running for Congress it actually took me by surprise that so many people were fascinated with me being the first Muslim in Congress,” said Ellison, a Democrat now serving his third term in the House.

“But someone said to me, ‘Look Keith, think of a person of Japanese origin running for Congress six years after Pearl Harbor–this might be a news story.’”

Though Ellison's status as the first Muslim elected to Congress is widely known, fewer are aware that he was born into a Catholic family in Detroit and was brought up attending Catholic schools.

But he said he was never comfortable with that faith.

“I just felt it was ritual and dogma,” Ellison said. “Of course, that’s not the reality of Catholicism, but it’s the reality I lived. So I just kind of lost interest and stopped going to Mass unless I was required to.”

It wasn’t until he was a student at Wayne State University in Detroit when Ellison began, “looking for other things.”

(Excerpt) Read more at religion.blogs.cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Islam; Theology
KEYWORDS: blackmuslims; islam; keithellison; muslim
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To: Quix

good post


501 posted on 09/05/2011 6:58:18 AM PDT by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: bkaycee

or are these just autobot rants you post on any thread [Quix is on] involving religion?


DING! DING! DING!

We have a WINNERE!

THX.


502 posted on 09/05/2011 6:58:49 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix; Judith Anne; bkaycee; MarkBsnr
The cardinal rule for Quix's group's preahers is you have to close you eyes really, really, really hard such that your entire face is distorted, like those TV preachers do, for a prayer to actually be heard by God?


503 posted on 09/05/2011 7:00:40 AM PDT by Cronos (John 6:61-64: Jesus rebukes those who think the Eucharist is just a symbol/metaphor, repeats: Jn8:15)
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To: count-your-change
"The thousands of copies of manuscripts in Greek were not the work of monks in the Middle Ages but of professional copyists, a practice that existed until printing came along."

I am aware of limited numbers of lay copyists employed in reproducing secular works, but no widespread reproduction of religious works by them. Perhaps you could provide some background or supporting information on this claim.

504 posted on 09/05/2011 7:01:33 AM PDT by Natural Law (For God so loved the world He did not send a book.)
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To: Quix; bkaycee
And I so like to point out how your posts, Quix, support Jesse, the con-man Duplantis, saying that
  1. what little I’ve watched of Jesse has been edifying. He is exceedingly Biblical—way above average, imho.
  2. Jesse believes in the basic Biblical doctrines of evangelical Pentecostal Christianity

--> can one really believe that?

505 posted on 09/05/2011 7:02:42 AM PDT by Cronos (John 6:61-64: Jesus rebukes those who think the Eucharist is just a symbol/metaphor, repeats: Jn8:15)
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To: bkaycee; MarkBsnr; Quix
bkaycee: Those groups are hardly "Christian". Mormons are polytheists, Jehovahs W's are Neo Arians, Ones groups are Modalists, I believe.

Good you said that -- note that many of Quix's group can be placed in that category...

506 posted on 09/05/2011 7:04:21 AM PDT by Cronos (John 6:61-64: Jesus rebukes those who think the Eucharist is just a symbol/metaphor, repeats: Jn8:15)
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To: boatbums
So, tell me, if you insist this refers to the "Protestants", then why all the recriminations and condemnations all the time on this forum?

Because, like the Moslems, we consider Protestants to worship the True God imperfectly. You guys are closer, that's all.

Why the constant insistence that we are all a bunch of heretics?

Most of you guys are.

Why, if your magesterium considers us "Christian", must all y'all refuse the same hand of fellowship?

What hand is this? The hand that killed thousands of monks and nuns as the Reformation conquered some of Europe and looted monasteries that were a millennium old? The hand that wrote heresy after heresy and insisted that each one was better than the other? The hand that stayed any opposition to the Muslim invasion of Austria and the Balkans and indeed actively aided them in the hopes of picking up scraps from the successful invaders? The hand that accepted Muslim occupation of Spain for 600 years? The hand that right now is causing the slaughter of the entire Christian communities left in the Middle East, north Africa and certain Balkan communities? That hand?

If that is so, then why don't you seem to acknowledge that we are indeed brothers and sisters in Christ?

If you are a brother or sister in Christ, why not move back in with the family instead of hanging out in shantytown?

I've said all along that the Body of Christ is a spiritual body that is the universal called-out assembly of believers in Jesus Christ, but I get called a "Gnostic" or whatever else the heretic word of the day is.

Tsk, tsk, not paying attention, obviously. Your posts are only labeled Gnostic when they profess Gnostic beliefs.

Don't we deserve some kind of apology?

If I observe deficiency and label it deficient, to whom do I owe an apology?

508 posted on 09/05/2011 7:06:46 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move m to do so.)
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To: Cronos; metmom; Judith Anne
"What proof is there that your group belongs on a “Protestant” Caucus?"

Does anyone know what her "group" even is? The only thing I can determine from her body of work is that she is a charter member of the anti-Catholic caucus.

509 posted on 09/05/2011 7:13:39 AM PDT by Natural Law (For God so loved the world He did not send a book.)
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To: metmom
It doesn't refer to Protestants. It very SPECIFICALLY says "Orthodox Churches", capitalized, indicating a name, which is the Orthodox Catholic churches and celebrating the Eucharist, another Catholic thing.

The Eucharist is a Christian thing. If you guys prefer Protestant to Christian, that is up to you. The Church is about the truth, not about not hurting third grade girls' feelings.

Besides, since Protestants are not considered Christians by most of the FRomans Catholics on this board but rather *faux Christians*, cultists, and heretics, we do not fall under the *Christian* heading in their Catechism by their own definition.

If you want to be a faux Christian, making it all up as you go along, then that of course is up to you.

It still leaves Muslims in first place before Protestants. In light of the official Catechism of the Catholic church position on Muslims, having a Catholic turned muslim situation should not be a big deal. Muslims are right behind Catholics in line for salvation according to their own church.

The passages have been posted how many times and you still don't get it? No wonder you guys come up the myriad doctrines that you do, in such variety and so imaginative. Did the two paragraphs on the Jews escape your eagle eye, as well? Including the placement of it and the verbiage?

If you do not wish to claim the title of Christian, so be it. It would be interesting if you would stop bellyaching about it when we name what you claim.

510 posted on 09/05/2011 7:14:33 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move m to do so.)
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To: metmom
It doesn't refer to Protestants. It very SPECIFICALLY says "Orthodox Churches", capitalized, indicating a name, which is the Orthodox Catholic churches and celebrating the Eucharist, another Catholic thing.

The Eucharist is a Christian thing. If you guys prefer Protestant to Christian, that is up to you. The Church is about the truth, not about not hurting third grade girls' feelings.

Besides, since Protestants are not considered Christians by most of the FRomans Catholics on this board but rather *faux Christians*, cultists, and heretics, we do not fall under the *Christian* heading in their Catechism by their own definition.

If you want to be a faux Christian, making it all up as you go along, then that of course is up to you.

It still leaves Muslims in first place before Protestants. In light of the official Catechism of the Catholic church position on Muslims, having a Catholic turned muslim situation should not be a big deal. Muslims are right behind Catholics in line for salvation according to their own church.

The passages have been posted how many times and you still don't get it? No wonder you guys come up the myriad doctrines that you do, in such variety and so imaginative. Did the two paragraphs on the Jews escape your eagle eye, as well? Including the placement of it and the verbiage?

If you do not wish to claim the title of Christian, so be it. It would be interesting if you would stop bellyaching about it when we name what you claim.

511 posted on 09/05/2011 7:14:33 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move m to do so.)
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To: Iscool; Judith Anne
"Sorry, but a member of your clergy can not determine nor sway the outcome of your final destiny..."

"Truly I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven." - Matthew 18:18

512 posted on 09/05/2011 7:16:45 AM PDT by Natural Law (For God so loved the world He did not send a book.)
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To: metmom
Wrong again, Mark. The Trinity is in the OT. Read the Gospels and see where it is constantly saying that Jesus fulfilled prophecy.

Didn't you tell us that the Gospels are for the Jews only and therefore irrelevant to Christians?

But let us ask an observant Orthodox Jew about the OT God being Triune. Why not start up a thread and ask for Jewish input? Would you be ready for the responses?

513 posted on 09/05/2011 7:16:58 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move m to do so.)
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To: Quix; Judith Anne
quix: I'm not particularly interested in documenting the opposite nature of things with a score card

Yet quix: They haven’t approached 10% of my candor about Pentecostalism.

and of course the candor includes posts supporting Benny Hinn and Jesse Duplantis, right?

514 posted on 09/05/2011 7:19:23 AM PDT by Cronos (John 6:61-64: Jesus rebukes those who think the Eucharist is just a symbol/metaphor, repeats: Jn8:15)
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To: Natural Law

No response, period. Not now, not later.


515 posted on 09/05/2011 7:21:24 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Quix; Judith Anne

Jesse Duplantis, McPherson etc. — all con-men/women. To complain about the mote in one’s sister’s eye while not seeing the logs in one’s own is just wrong...


516 posted on 09/05/2011 7:22:01 AM PDT by Cronos (John 6:61-64: Jesus rebukes those who think the Eucharist is just a symbol/metaphor, repeats: Jn8:15)
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To: Cronos
MAYBE, you should start an anti-Hinn Duplantis thread, instead of hijacking ALL religous threads where QUIX participates.

Isn't that called stalking most of the time?

517 posted on 09/05/2011 7:22:11 AM PDT by bkaycee
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To: bkaycee

Really? Resorting to personal attacks now? Why are you stalking my posts? My post 480 was not addressed to you, so why are you cyber-stalking?


518 posted on 09/05/2011 7:24:13 AM PDT by Cronos (John 6:61-64: Jesus rebukes those who think the Eucharist is just a symbol/metaphor, repeats: Jn8:15)
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To: Judith Anne
I STILL want the comforts my Church offers to the dying. Protestant Churches don’t have much to offer, as far as I have seen.

Depends on what you are looking for...If you want to find the way to Jesus, call a Protestant...Any Bible knowledgeable Protestant will do...

If you want pomp, ritual, smoke, incense, holy water, waving rosaries, kissing korans, with a sinner just like you or worse, telling you that he has the authority to pass you on into heaven, by all means call a Catholic priest...

519 posted on 09/05/2011 7:24:46 AM PDT by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: bkaycee; Quix; Iscool

oh, and thanks for your post on how the Oneness Pentecostals, Modalists etc. are not Christian.


520 posted on 09/05/2011 7:24:49 AM PDT by Cronos (John 6:61-64: Jesus rebukes those who think the Eucharist is just a symbol/metaphor, repeats: Jn8:15)
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