Posted on 09/02/2011 9:07:47 AM PDT by marshmallow
Minneapolis, Minnesota (CNN) –Prior to 2006, few people even knew that then-Minnesota state legislator Keith Ellison was a Muslim. Because of his English name, he said, no one thought to ask.
But five years ago, when he ran for a seat in the United States House of Representatives - a race he would go on to win - word of his religious affiliation began to spread.
“When I started running for Congress it actually took me by surprise that so many people were fascinated with me being the first Muslim in Congress,” said Ellison, a Democrat now serving his third term in the House.
“But someone said to me, ‘Look Keith, think of a person of Japanese origin running for Congress six years after Pearl Harbor–this might be a news story.’”
Though Ellison's status as the first Muslim elected to Congress is widely known, fewer are aware that he was born into a Catholic family in Detroit and was brought up attending Catholic schools.
But he said he was never comfortable with that faith.
“I just felt it was ritual and dogma,” Ellison said. “Of course, that’s not the reality of Catholicism, but it’s the reality I lived. So I just kind of lost interest and stopped going to Mass unless I was required to.”
It wasn’t until he was a student at Wayne State University in Detroit when Ellison began, “looking for other things.”
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Going by that response, who was with Jesus when He promised the Holy Spirit?
Much of the Gospels were written from memory, from having “remembrances” over and over so that what was written would be true.
The Apostles weren’t taking notes so those remembrances are important to us, so that we might know that Jesus is Lord.
So, does that meant the previous statement that the Holy Spirit shall teach you all things, and when He says the Holy Spirit will lead them to truth is also meant only for the Apostles who were with Him when He said it?
I will have to get back to later on the rest, as I am off to work.
Have a great and blessed day, CB.
Believe anything? It seems a rather scurrilous accusation after being told over and over that it must be in scripture “to see if it is true” for us to believe it.
Many have been promised to be indwelt with the Holy Spirit. Only the Apostles were told the Holy Spirit would bring “to their remembrance” what He said to them.
Fault? The Catholics sentence him to be burned at the stake but he escapes releases them from the fact that they did practice the act of burning at the stake? I wouldn’t release either the Catholic Church nor Calvin from the guilt on that one.
"I am the Way, the Truth and the Life" "I have rightly divided that Jesus is Lord." a comma and adding an "and" does not constitute rightly dividing. lol! Do you want to be stand before God not being ashamed in your work for Him, or do you just want to make Him LOL!
Then you use three paragraphs to do just that. Historical context doesn’t stand with those who claim to follow Christ. No where in the New Testament is the execution of even a heretic justified. The very fact that those executions were practiced and even decreed by the Catholic Church tells me the sincerity of following Christ. The question arises that if one is filled with the Holy Spirit can a policy like that even be allowed to exist in the church being completely contrary to the New Testament.
Yeah, so they could teach it and preach it and WRITE IT DOWN so that we would know the certainty of what was said instead of depending on word of mouth.
When you look at how the doctrines about Mary have changed/evolved over the years, one can only image what would have happened to the accounts of the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus, had that not been committed to paper (so to speak)
Speaking of writing, when Jesus wanted John to communicate with the seven churches mentioned in the book of Revelation, He didn't tell John to go form a committee and vote on it.
Rev 1:9-11 9I, John, your brother and partner in the tribulation and the kingdom and the patient endurance that are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos on account of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus. 10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet 11saying, "Write what you see in a book and send it to the seven churches, to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea."
Rev 1:17-20 17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand on me, saying, "Fear not, I am the first and the last, 18and the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades. 19 Write therefore the things that you have seen, those that are and those that are to take place after this. 20As for the mystery of the seven stars that you saw in my right hand, and the seven golden lampstands, the seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches.
Rev 2:1 1"To the angel of the church in Ephesus write: 'The words of him who holds the seven stars in his right hand, who walks among the seven golden lampstands.
Rev 2:8 8"And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write: 'The words of the first and the last, who died and came to life.
Rev 2:12 12"And to the angel of the church in Pergamum write: 'The words of him who has the sharp two-edged sword.
Rev 2:18 18"And to the angel of the church in Thyatira write: 'The words of the Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire, and whose feet are like burnished bronze.
Rev 3:1 1"And to the angel of the church in Sardis write: 'The words of him who has the seven spirits of God and the seven stars. "'I know your works. You have the reputation of being alive, but you are dead.
Rev 3:7 7"And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write: 'The words of the holy one, the true one, who has the key of David, who opens and no one will shut, who shuts and no one opens.
Rev 3:14 14"And to the angel of the church in Laodicea write: 'The words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of God’s creation.
No, it's accurate.
and rings hollow coming from a church which demands unshakable adherence to rigid doctrinal points of view and imposes the threat of hellfire and damnation for not submitting to the dictates of the RCC.
Prove it.
For a Catholic to disagree with the RCC is to imperil his soul.
Wrong!
Truly the words of God are spirit and life whereas the words of men are neither.
To quote smvoice “Nobody knows de trouble I see...”
John 14:26 (NIV) 26 But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.
Here is the appropriate verse. :) Easy to find with google. I know I have read it hundreds of times. Maybe at least a verse with every FR posting is a good idea!
Some dogma and doctrines are explicit, stated directly and repeatedly in Scripture and others, such as the Trinity, Sola Scriptura, and the Assumption are determined implicitly by looking at the body of the Revealed Word, as Pope Benedict XVI puts it ""a totality in which the individual elements enlighten each other and open the way to understanding". Rancor aside, I would like to understand how you determine which implicit doctrines you choose to support and which you reject?
If Protestantism is really correct that Scripture is the ONLY thing necessary for Salvation why is it that Protestant services are not comprised entirely of Bible reading and why are there so darned many Protestants publishing theological works and dissertations? Wouldn't they by redundant or superfluous?
Scripture is God’s word to us as to what IS necessary for salvation. Do you even know what Sola Scriptura means? It’s God’s way of giving us a benchmark for what is true and to protect us from charlatans, false teachers, and Anti Christs. We are admonished to search the scriptures to “see if these things be true” even if it were Paul and Silas who are the teachers. If not for the scriptures we would fall for “doctrines of men” like the bodily assumption of Mary and falsely placing her between us and Jesus.
The Church Councils WERE the Church at large. Only Catholicism/ Orthodoxy share this historical continuity while the reformation was took 1500 years to occur. Sure, there was contention every year in the Church since the Ascension of Christ and the Church faced the Gnostics and the Arians but these disappeared, a sign of the indwelling of the Spirit in the Church. Did God take a break until Luther? The secular humanistic atheistic crowd blames the Church/ Orthodoxy for the compilation of the Bible at Hippo/Carthage at the same time your associates take a diametrically opposite different approach.
In post 2219 Cronos adequately explained to you the use of the Septuagint by Jesus and the salient fact that this same Septuagint contained the deuterocanonical works.It appears it is good enough for Jesus but not for the evangelicals.
Herein lies the essence of the problem associated with your type.You stated "I believe". It is never what YOU Believe it is about what Jesus teaches divorced from individual Evangelical agendas.Your acceptance of these agenda driven evangelical groups numbering well into the tens of thousands is the essence of your problem and robs your beliefs of any credibility. What the evangelical "Roll your own" expresses as belief ( Harold Camping/ rapture/ Dispensationalism) does not correlate to objective historical reality or the will of God
Thus the real problem with "Roll your own" Christianity is its independent nature numbering well over 30.000 plus, each insisting on individual interpretation of Sacred Scripture. How can these evangelical groups rail on the inclusion of Books into scripture yet fail to see the problems that accompany the individual interpretation of scripture.How does th Holy Spirit decide which of these myriad discrete groups to give an indwelling.
No sporting event is played without an umpire/referee, the governments have fallible court systems but your group has nothing to render a verdict save their their your own prideful consciences.Pride was the sin of Lucifer.
It is time to stop the "I believe" and start conforming you will to that of Jesus accepting Him and not your conscience as your Savior.
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