My friend, remember that Iscool was the one who told us that he doesn't believe what he believes. I guess anything goes in that case...
Posted on 09/02/2011 9:07:47 AM PDT by marshmallow
Minneapolis, Minnesota (CNN) –Prior to 2006, few people even knew that then-Minnesota state legislator Keith Ellison was a Muslim. Because of his English name, he said, no one thought to ask.
But five years ago, when he ran for a seat in the United States House of Representatives - a race he would go on to win - word of his religious affiliation began to spread.
“When I started running for Congress it actually took me by surprise that so many people were fascinated with me being the first Muslim in Congress,” said Ellison, a Democrat now serving his third term in the House.
“But someone said to me, ‘Look Keith, think of a person of Japanese origin running for Congress six years after Pearl Harbor–this might be a news story.’”
Though Ellison's status as the first Muslim elected to Congress is widely known, fewer are aware that he was born into a Catholic family in Detroit and was brought up attending Catholic schools.
But he said he was never comfortable with that faith.
“I just felt it was ritual and dogma,” Ellison said. “Of course, that’s not the reality of Catholicism, but it’s the reality I lived. So I just kind of lost interest and stopped going to Mass unless I was required to.”
It wasn’t until he was a student at Wayne State University in Detroit when Ellison began, “looking for other things.”
(Excerpt) Read more at religion.blogs.cnn.com ...
Oh dear. You’ve been officially pigeon-holed into an “ism” or an “ist” or and “ician”. Which means you refused to bow down to the red pradas. Congratualtions, if Rome calls you a heretic, it means they reject the plain teachings of those who understand that grace is free and the finished work of Christ is sufficient. Welcome to the world of following Paul as he followed Christ by direct revelations of the risen Christ, for a pattern to them who would hereafter believe on Christ Jesus to life everlasting.
What nonsense...Paul himself was writing everything he spoke...Long before your religion was a glint in Constantine's eye...
Let's see. Jesus Ascended ca: AD 33. Paul's first Epistles came out ca: AD 55. Do you think that Paul was a really slow writer?
I see that you guys are still sore losers. Better blame your beliefs; they were the reason that Arius was excommunicated.
Please name all the people you have raised from the dead. Please give dates.
Only those who have approached the LaZBoy Throne of Sports Theology in the Church of Iscool (population one). In short, none.
The entire Christian world, meaning Rome? I'll wear that ribbon. If Rome rejects something, you can be sure there is something there to be studied and compared Scripture with Scripture.
You appraisal of the abundantly substantiated article (http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/Ancients_on_Scripture.html#2) is not unexpected due to your need. Do you really want to contend that the Council of Trent did not provide the first infallible and effectually promulgated pronouncement on the Canon, addressed to the church universal, which definitively settled the matter of the Old Testament Canon?
My friend, remember that Iscool was the one who told us that he doesn't believe what he believes. I guess anything goes in that case...
The Gospel itself is beautiful in its simplicity. It doesn't need to be made so complicated by anyone.
God never complicated it. Believe in Jesus and you will be saved. That's all there is to it.
Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Mat 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.
Mat 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
According to the scriptures, the next time any one lays their eyes on Jesus on the Earth, He won't be sitting in a cracker in a Catholic church...
20 years you say!!! How many generations was there between Adam and Jesus?
By Martin Luther during the Reformation.
Now, as to who started Judaizing, who do you look to as a leader?
Your picture brings to mind the word ‘emetic’ for some reason. Could it be medicinal alcohol?
And so are heretics, apostates and pagans. The only difference is in the particular words that they use.
We Christians do not Judaize, neither do we eliminate Scripture.
Glory be to the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, as it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be. Now, and forever. Amen.
What novelty do you present us with today?
And then they throw stuff back and forth as authoritative, not even knowing that what they are talking about is not in the scriptures...They dupe each other...
When you can give a plausible account of “substance” and “sacramental presence” I’ll pick up that glove. But not until then.
I need some more detail. I don’t know what you’re objecting ro or commenting on.
Jesus and Paul both provide numerous examples of Judgement. You have been provided by me with myriad verses from both over the years. Why are you asking me now? Do you think that such as the examples of Matthew 25 are not relevant or have you simply forgotten? Does Matthew 12:26 not matter? What about Acts 17:31?
Simply claiming salvation is not going to pass muster with the Judge. Imagine getting a traffic ticket and then claiming that the most righteous Judge in the Universe is going to let you off because you want it in spite of all of Scripture telling you the opposite?
Romans 14:9For this is why Christ died and came to life, that he might be Lord of both the dead and the living.h 10Why then do you judge your brother? Or you, why do you look down on your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of God;i 11for it is written: “As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bend before me, and every tongue shall give praise to God.” j 12So [then] each of us shall give an account of himself [to God].k
And what will your account be? Something that somebody else did?
2 Corinthians5: 10For we must all appear* before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive recompense, according to what he did in the body, whether good or evil.f
If you read Matthew 25, that recompense can be to be thrown in the outer darkness. This is what we believe; this is the Faith of the Church. Not some airy fairy story told by sugar pill pushers.
Oh dear, was it something I said?
Which means you refused to bow down to the red pradas.
Never have before, why the difference now?
Congratualtions, if Rome calls you a heretic, it means they reject the plain teachings of those who understand that grace is free and the finished work of Christ is sufficient.
We have always understood that the Grace of God is freely offered to all men and that what Christ did is sufficient to claim all men from death.
Welcome to the world of following Paul as he followed Christ by direct revelations of the risen Christ, for a pattern to them who would hereafter believe on Christ Jesus to life everlasting.
We use Paul as a great example and use much of his letters to his flock as a model for Church hierarchy. Ummm, no different than say, this morning. Do you have a point?
"You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. You shall not worship them or serve them..."Exodus 20:4,5. Seems pretty straightforward and simple. This commandment forbids the making of images for religious use. And it prohibits the worshipping of such. You don't worship them, you don't make them, you don't bow down to them.
And then comes the RCC with their new and improved interpretation of Exodus 20:4,5. [Catechism 2129-2132] First they make this 2nd Commandment part of the 1st Commandment. Which then forces them to divide Exodus 20:17 into two commandments, in order to have ten. No there is no elimination of Scripture going on. THere is simple a shuffling of commandments and squeezing one into another in order to deemmphasize the prohibition against the making of graven images. Such as STATUES.
And if this isn't moxy enough, they simply invent their own interpretation of the commands of Exodus 20:4,5>
"They do not forbid images of Christ and the saints. But to make and honor the images of Christ our Lord, of His holy and virginal Mother, and of the Saints, all of whom were clothed with human nature and appeared in human form is not only NOT forbidden by this Commandment but has always been deemed a holy practice and a most sure indication of gratitude. This position is confirmed by the monuments of the Apostolic age, the General Councils of the Church, and the writing of so many among the Fathers, eminent alike for sanctity and learning, all of whom are of one accord upon the subject." The Roman Catechism.- John A. McHugh, O.P., and Charles J. Callan, O.P., translators, The Roman Catechism: the Catechism of the Council of Trent (Rockford, Il. : Tan Books and Publishers, 1982), pp. 375-376.
Well if this position is "confirmed by monuments, General Councils of the Church, writings of so many among the Fathers, eminent alike for sanctity and learning, all of whom are of one accord upon the subject", then who can argue with that? God perhaps. Since they are HIS COMMANDMENTS.
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