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To: Natural Law
I have a problem with predestination. I have no doubt that God knows who will and will not make the right decisions and take the right actions to gain Salvation, He is after all omniscient. I also do not doubt that Hod has the power to command Salvation, He is after all omnipotent. However, I do believe that God seeks the greatest prize, love freely given. Genuine love cannot be commanded, coerced, or purchased. He is after all infinitely perfect.

IF God knew who will and will not make the 'right' decisions we would NOT have to go through this flesh age. What some earned and were predestined as the election, took place back when Satan rebelled and drew a third of the sons of God to his camp. Those that loved God and took a stand against that rebellion have already earned this choosing. And some have been set aside for a specific duty yet future, and until that 'time' appointed is now, I do not believe any can literally call themselves the 'very elect'. And it is only these of the 'very elect' that can commit the unpardonable sin by refusing the Holy Spirit to speak through them as a witness to the rest of the 'flesh' inhabitants on this earth. We are not there yet.

Because the topic of 'salvation' to some ears tends to sounding like taking on the authority of judgment I let the Word instruct what is required for that award. But you are most correct that 'genuine love cannot be commanded', and as Paul says those of the election naturally had and were perfect in this love, back *before* the foundation of this world (age). Salvation is a one on one journey with each 'soul/spirit intellect' between the Creator and our Advocate Christ. NOT one 'soul' will without full knowledge choose the path of being forever destroyed.

Predestination means that the TOE is nothing more than a man created fable. Because by the creators of TOE, own admission they cannot 'test' or evaluate the 'soul/spirit intellect'. Predestination means that each and every 'soul/spirit intellect' has its own individual history before ever being placed in a flesh body at conception.

294 posted on 08/29/2011 10:22:23 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Just mythoughts
IF God knew who will and will not make the 'right' decisions we would NOT have to go through this flesh age.

Sorry--I have to disagree here.

First, you are saying that God is NOT omniscient, which pretty well is part of the definition of God.

Second, we go through this age to show to ourselves that we will make the decisions we make--that hell (or heaven) is our own decision and we will not be able to argue against that decision.

God knows everything--past, present, and future--but we don't. That is what makes our decisions so important to Him--that we love Him of our own free will, without knowing the future, but having faith in Him.

302 posted on 08/30/2011 4:29:40 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Just mythoughts
"IF God knew who will and will not make the 'right' decisions we would NOT have to go through this flesh age."

"If" is not compatible with what we know of an omniscient God.

"Predestination means that the TOE is nothing more than a man created fable."

I'm afraid that does make sense. Man alone is unique among the creatures created by God. The Theory of Evolution only defines the means an omniscient and omnipotent God created for the introduction of life into a dynamic universe. It is not important to argue over how God created man, we should all rejoice and proclaim that He did.

303 posted on 08/30/2011 7:35:05 AM PDT by Natural Law (For God so loved the world He did not send a book.)
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