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Why God Did Not Elect Calvinists...
DouglasHamp.com ^ | July 1, 2011 | Douglas Hamp

Posted on 08/27/2011 2:14:11 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta

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To: smvoice

So... if Jesus was talking to the Jews in Matthew, Mark Luke, and John; and Paul was talking to the Hebrews; and from Hebrews to Revelation pertains to those who will be left behind... What part of the Bible are WE supposed to read and follow? Oh, we are to read and follow from Romans to Philemon? Shoot, that’s much better than having to read and follow the whole Bible, especially Chronicles (those names are IMPOSSIBLE to recite). Thanks a lot!


121 posted on 08/27/2011 8:40:17 PM PDT by irishtenor (Everything in moderation, however, too much whiskey is just enough... Mark Twain)
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To: reflecting

How about “do unto others before they do unto you.”
:>)


122 posted on 08/27/2011 8:41:59 PM PDT by irishtenor (Everything in moderation, however, too much whiskey is just enough... Mark Twain)
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To: irishtenor

First of all, Paul did not write Hebrews, unless you know something I don’t. Paul, the Apostle to the Gentiles, wrote Romans through Philemon. His commission given to him by the Risen Christ consisted of the dispensation of the Grace of God, the Church the Body of Christ, the one new man, the preaching of the cross, the free gift of salvation, the finished work of Christ, our position in Christ, our walk with Christ, a commission for us in this present dispensation, the understanding of what is happening here on earth while Christ is sitting at the right hand of God, the simplicity that is in Christ, the coming of Christ in the air for us, and the mystery, hid in God, until revealed to the Apostle Paul. ANd that’s just a few things. The whole Bible is for our understanding, but there is a part that is our private mail, during this dispensation. Just as it will profit those left after the rapture to read Paul’s Epistles for their understanding, they will be too late to escape God’s Wrath. They must endure to the end to be saved. Just as we don’t read Leviticus and bring a lamb to be slaughtered because God told them to. It’s for our understanding but it is not for our dispensation.


123 posted on 08/27/2011 8:53:29 PM PDT by smvoice (The Cross was NOT God's Plan B.)
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To: irishtenor

Oh, well in that case blast away...but a warning: you have need of perfect foreknowledge to “do” before “being done to” lest you “do” to one who would never have “done” and then are guilty of assaulting the innocent.


124 posted on 08/27/2011 8:56:28 PM PDT by reflecting
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To: irishtenor

Oh, well in that case blast away...but a warning: you have need of perfect foreknowledge to “do” before “being done to” lest you “do” to one who would never have “done” and then are guilty of assaulting the innocent.


125 posted on 08/27/2011 8:56:31 PM PDT by reflecting
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To: Mr Rogers; GiovannaNicoletta; OKSooner; aruanan
Heb 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith;

Rom 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

Acts 14:27 And when they were come, and had gathered the church together, they rehearsed all that God had done with them, and how he had opened the door of faith unto the Gentiles.

Rom 10:6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:)

If righteousness is “of faith” would you also say you earn your own righteousness? Since all Christians should say that salvation is not by works then we must also say that faith is not by our works lest we should boast.

If we must muster up our own faith then justification is by works and again we know that is not correct.

126 posted on 08/27/2011 9:11:36 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: Mr Rogers
We are introduced to God’s grace - we meet it, approach it - by faith. Not election.

"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him"

Cordially,

127 posted on 08/27/2011 9:12:47 PM PDT by Diamond (He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people,)
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To: smvoice; irishtenor
>> First of all, Paul did not write Hebrews, unless you know something I don’t.<<

Paul did indeed write Hebrews in 68AD. Here are the books Paul wrote.

Romans – 58-60AD the 6th of Pauls letters written in Crinth and sent to Rome by Phebe
1 Corinthians – 59AD written by Paul at Ephesus
2 Corinthians – 60AD written by Paul
Galatians – 69AD written by Paul
Ephesians – 64AD written by Paul
Philippians – 64AD written by Paul
Colossians – 64AD written by Paul
1 Thessalonians – 54AD written by Paul
2 Thessalonians – 54-55AD written by Paul
1Timothy – 67AD written by Paul
2 Timothy – 68AD written by Paul
Titus – 67AD written by Paul
Philemon – 64AD written by Paul
Hebrews – 68AD written by Paul
If you don’t believe Paul wrote Hebrews who do you think did?

128 posted on 08/27/2011 9:22:36 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: Diamond
"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him"

"and if I be lifted up I will draw all men unto me"
129 posted on 08/27/2011 9:26:15 PM PDT by reflecting
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To: reflecting

I had a smiley face :>)


130 posted on 08/27/2011 9:35:12 PM PDT by irishtenor (Everything in moderation, however, too much whiskey is just enough... Mark Twain)
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To: CynicalBear
Has anyone here ever thought of the difference between faith IN Christ and the faith OF Christ, that is spoken of Gal. 2:16 and Gal. 2:20? "I am crucified with Christ; nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live BY THE FAITH OF THE SON OF GOD, who loved me, and gave Himself for me."

Christ's faith was so strong that He was willing to die for our sins, KNOWING that God the Father would raise Him from the dead once the penalty had been paid.

This is the faith OF Christ that is imparted to us by God. We are so certain that the penalty for our sins was paid in full by Christ that we are willing to die, knowing we WILL be raised from the dead.

This is not faith we can muster by our own works, but the faith of Christ that is imparted to us. Just as salvation is imparted to us by God in His grace.

131 posted on 08/27/2011 9:35:48 PM PDT by smvoice (The Cross was NOT God's Plan B.)
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To: smvoice
Has anyone here ever thought of the difference between faith IN Christ and the faith OF Christ, that is spoken of Gal. 2:16 and Gal. 2:20? "I am crucified with Christ; nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live BY THE FAITH OF THE SON OF GOD, who loved me, and gave Himself for me."

Christ's faith was so strong that He was willing to die for our sins, KNOWING that God the Father would raise Him from the dead once the penalty had been paid.

This is the faith OF Christ that is imparted to us by God. We are so certain that the penalty for our sins was paid in full by Christ that we are willing to die, knowing we WILL be raised from the dead.

This is not faith we can muster by our own works, but the faith of Christ that is imparted to us. Just as salvation is imparted to us by God in His grace.

Right On!

132 posted on 08/27/2011 9:39:35 PM PDT by CrosscutSaw
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To: CynicalBear

Please show me where in the Bible it says Paul wrote the Book of Hebrews. I don’t know who wrote it. No one does. It has no authorship name. That has been the argument through the years. Did Paul write it or did he not? But I do know the Bible doesn’t say. That leaves conjecture.


133 posted on 08/27/2011 9:39:46 PM PDT by smvoice (The Cross was NOT God's Plan B.)
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To: smvoice
>> I don’t know who wrote it. No one does.<<

1. Peter refers to it.

2 Peter 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

2. Hebrews is ascribed to him by over 100 ancient writers both in Greek and Latin, from 70 to 730Ad 3. It was received as Paul’s by the council of Laodicea in 363Ad, by the council of Carthage 397AD, by the Syrian churches 370AD. 4. Paul is named as the author in the Alexandrian MSS 500AD. 5. Eusibius explained that Paul wrote it in Hebrew, leaving his name off so that it would be read and received more readily by Jews who hated him. (see The Anti-Nicene Fathers Vol 2, p.579 6. Paul was the only N.T. writer to write from prison who wrote from prison and expected release (see Heb, 13:19) 7. Paul was the only N.T. writer to request prayer for himself.

134 posted on 08/27/2011 10:15:22 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: smvoice

Jesus is the author of our faith, thus the faith of Jesus?


135 posted on 08/27/2011 10:17:20 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: smvoice
Sorry about the formatting. I’ll try again.

>> I don’t know who wrote it. No one does.<<

1. Peter refers to it.

2 Peter 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

2. Hebrews is ascribed to him by over 100 ancient writers both in Greek and Latin, from 70 to 730Ad

3. It was received as Paul’s by the council of Laodicea in 363Ad, by the council of Carthage 397AD, by the Syrian churches 370AD.

4. Paul is named as the author in the Alexandrian MSS 500AD.

5. Eusibius explained that Paul wrote it in Hebrew, leaving his name off so that it would be read and received more readily by Jews who hated him. (see The Anti-Nicene Fathers Vol 2, p.579

6. Paul was the only N.T. writer to write from prison who wrote from prison and expected release (see Heb, 13:19) 7. Paul was the only N.T. writer to request prayer for himself.

136 posted on 08/27/2011 10:21:56 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: the invisib1e hand

nah, cause your group’s politicians like Obama, Carter, Clinton etc. are the ones who are actively working for the anti-Christ


137 posted on 08/28/2011 12:09:21 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: Natural Law; The Invisible Hand

I’m guessing one-trick pony that was dropped repeatedly on its head while a baby.


138 posted on 08/28/2011 12:10:10 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: the invisib1e hand; Natural Law
the individual who's simplest ideas they are hopeless to understand.

"simple ideas" is right -- like the "hope and change" motto. NL, we get these folks who know nothing, but that they have some "simple" secret, which turns out to be nothing more than a one-trick pony with a far lower than average pony intelligence.

139 posted on 08/28/2011 12:12:04 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: NoLibZone
Because God abhors religion.

I think Deuteronomy shows that that statement is not correct. The rituals specified are clear. Even in the NT, we see it clearly mentioned by Christ that he who repents and believes, eats of the body of the lamb and endures to the end is saved. Deep, meaningful religion that brings folks to God is what God wants. Those who just say "Lord, Lord" will not be saved.

140 posted on 08/28/2011 12:14:28 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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