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To: Judith Anne; Amityschild; AngieGal; AnimalLover; Ann de IL; aposiopetic; aragorn; auggy; ...
"In the rare instances where demonic activity is playing a part in the mentally ill person’s problems . . . "

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Obviously . . . the lack of quality research and experience in the topic field leaves one prone to asserting utter nonsense.

In my experience and that of a long list of Pastors and Christian Spirit-filled counselors,

'merely' chronic long standing anger has a huge probability of a very significant demonic component. Many responsible, quality trained mental health professionals would assert that demonic activity has a part in 75-90% or more of mental health problems.

Those wanting to truth on these matters would do well to read the 'Dean' with the greatest track record:

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=BOB+LARSON#/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=derek+prince&rh=n%3A283155%2Ck%3Aderek+prince

He quite forcefully refutes a lot of the ignorance propounded on this thread.

I'm not that familiar with Bob Larson. I'm not as comfortable with him as I am with Neil T Anderson:

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=BONDAGE+BREAKER

My take is that both of them came to such challenges by route of Scripture, somewhat what God showed them and by the problems of people dropped in their laps. The same could be said of Derek Prince.

However, I believe that Neil was more open to the operation of Holy Spirit in such phenomena while not really integrating that wholesale into his ministry. It's still largely applying Scripture in a more or less formula, prescribed way.

That's far from bad and most often routinely effective when done by believers led of Holy Spirit to do so.

I'm a bit concerned that Bob Larson has added some personal schstick to a similar Biblical based strategy that may be crowding the limits of what a formulaic strategy with demonic forces can handle.

Nevertheless, if the youth ARE truly applying Scripture in a Biblical way with any leading and anointing of Holy Spirit at all, I'd bet that they have more effectiveness than the average layman by a significant margin.

One of the key elements of victory with such demonic force is FAITH IN THE WORD OF GOD--FAITH THAT GOD AND THOSE ON GOD'S SIDE CAN WIN OVER DEMONIC FORCES. That faith alone is often sufficient to begin the rout.

One of demonic forces' major deceptions is that they are unalterably entrenched and can't be removed. When almost anyone counters with Scripture and the declaration that they can and will be removed, that's more than half the battle.

It seems to me that a lot of the hostility on this thread to such a ministry comes from folks who are addictively wedded to a very strict and very narrow organizational--even very cultish--approach to such a problem. They will not tolerate well any OTHER approach. Add to that their personal pique toward me and we see what we see.

I strongly encourage folks to read Derek Prince. The demonic forces will be multiplying in demonstration and tenacity as well as in dramatic evil demonstrations in our era.

Those locked into organizational parameters on such matters INSTEAD of submitting to the Scriptures and Holy Spirit in such matters--will end up making themselves and those they influence UNNECESSARILY VULNERABLE to being victimized by such demonic forces--in too many cases--to eternal damnation. And such blood will potentially be on their hands for supporting less than effective application options vs more or less any Spirit led believer using Scripture against demonic forces.

Derek Prince is the best on the topic. Even Neil Anderson is an also ran compared to him.

130 posted on 08/14/2011 7:20:29 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix
Never knew you were into Derek Prince. (1 Cor. 1:12 duly noted, btw)

He has gone home now, but I highly recommend his ministry. I recall hearing him on a recorded broadcast one time as he described visiting a foreign country where people lived on a river and had no variety in their diets, because fish was all they had to eat. His voice then broke as he went on that "...and some people don't have enough to eat AT ALL."

Quite a contrast to the "Profit-Driven Church" who preach a gospel of gaudiness and flash...(shades of Matthew 6:5 ff)

Obligatory disclaimer for the intellectually-minded: he won a fellowship in philosophy at Cambridge (as in Oxford and Cambridge) at age 24 under Ludwig Wittgenstein (yes, *that* Wittgenstein. Incidentally Catholic theologian Elizabeth Anscombe *also* studied under Wittegenstein.)

Second disclaimer: while I'm on the subject, Jonathan Edwards ("Sinners in the hands of an angry god") *finished* his college degreee at Yale (as in Harvard, Yale, Princeton) at age seventeen, first in his class.

Cheers!

142 posted on 08/14/2011 1:04:07 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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