Posted on 08/12/2011 12:23:37 PM PDT by markomalley
The five teenage girls might look like they’re in a normal class, eagerly reading their textbooks and answering their teacher’s questions diligently.
But the textbooks are Bibles and the girls all have crosses instead of protractors, as they train to become exorcists - real exorcists who fight demons, curses and evil spells.
‘People do look a bit surprised when I arrive,’ admits graduate exorcist Brynne Larson. ‘When people call for an exorcist, they don’t picture a 16-year-old high school girl.’
But Brynne, from Phoenix, Arizona, is one of a new breed of qualified teenage demon slayers, who answered a call when the Church made the admission of there being a worldwide exorcist shortage.
But despite drastic efforts, supply has still not met demand for the controversial ceremony.
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1. It boggles my mind that you are accusing me of such.
2. Though I have not done so on this thread, it is Biblical to exercise gifted discernment in such matters.
3. I don’t find your inaccurate and impatient hostility Biblical, Kind or Chrisitan.
FROM YOU IN YOUR OPENING RANT. AND MY QUESTION IS HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT GOSD HAS NOT GIVEN THESE PEOPLE THE GIFT OF DECERNMENT WHEN IT COMES TO DEMONS?
Revelation addresses this issue
And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
The fifth angel sounds his trumpet and a star falls from heaven. This star has the key to the bottomless pit. Stars sometimes have a double reference to angelic beings in the scriptures. This star is called him so it is an angel. The angel was given the key to open up the place under the earth where fallen angels are bound (2 Pe 2 1-10). Some think this angel is Satan and others think it is another angel. I think this angel still has the key when he locks Satan in the bottomless pit for a thousand years after the tribulation is over (Rev 20:1-2). Therefore, the angel is from God and is not Satan.
It is too soon for Satan to be cast out of heaven permanently since the Beast he incarnates when he is cast out of heaven comes out of the pit months after the time of this fifth trumpet. The Beast comes out of the pit just prior to the seventh trumpet just before he kills the two prophets who have completed their 1,260-day testimony (Rev 11:7).
Revelation addresses this issue
And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
The fifth angel sounds his trumpet and a star falls from heaven. This star has the key to the bottomless pit. Stars sometimes have a double reference to angelic beings in the scriptures. This star is called him so it is an angel. The angel was given the key to open up the place under the earth where fallen angels are bound (2 Pe 2 1-10). Some think this angel is Satan and others think it is another angel. I think this angel still has the key when he locks Satan in the bottomless pit for a thousand years after the tribulation is over (Rev 20:1-2). Therefore, the angel is from God and is not Satan.
It is too soon for Satan to be cast out of heaven permanently since the Beast he incarnates when he is cast out of heaven comes out of the pit months after the time of this fifth trumpet. The Beast comes out of the pit just prior to the seventh trumpet just before he kills the two prophets who have completed their 1,260-day testimony (Rev 11:7).
I believe you owe Quix an apology. He was not the one to say what you think, but he only included what OpusatFR said from post #40 and then responded to him, here is OpusatFR's post:
To: Quix
“Even the profession’s own research has shown that a LOT of laymen, grandparents, etc. are great at helping others through emotional, mental, relationship problems somewhat on a par with highly educated professionals.”
There is a vast difference between laymen “helping others through emotional, mental, relationship problems somewhat,” and a diagnosis of mental illness and its treatment.
You stated, “Experienced pastors, deacons, elders and even laymen and women did quite well at discerning the difference between demon possession/oppression and mental illness”
That’s absolute balony.
At any other time, I wouldn’t bother replying to one of your posts. However, the idea that one can determine demon possession from mental illness simply from “discernment” by a layman needs to be trashed.
There is enough suffering from mental illness, especially untreated mental illness caused by biological problems without some ridiculous statement that anyone can tell who is demon possessed and who is sick.
That nasty bit of false piety and spiritual abuse had ended or so I thought.
40 posted on Friday, August 12, 2011 9:19:05 PM by OpusatFR
Are you really accusing Quix, of all people, of trying to limit what the Holy Spirit will and won't do in a Believer's life? Seriously?
As for the OP, I'd have to say that while it's Biblical that every Believer has authority over demons, in practice it's a whole different matter. It's not so much the fact that some have a gift over others as much as most Christians today, in America at least, aren't what you'd call "Spiritually Aware" of their surroundings.
While there may be nothing technically wrong with what these girls are doing, I think that it's incredibly foolish and dangerous to give people the wrong idea in this matter. Exorcists absolutely must be strongly rooted and grounded in their faith and while I don't doubt that these girls may believe strongly in what they're doing, I have a hard time believing that they have developed a strong Gift of Discernment yet.
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
HELLO????!!!!
THOSE WERE NOT MY WORDS.
Those were words of OpusatFr that I was protesting her about.
Sheesh!
Your reading comprehension used to be better than this.
OPUS WAS PUTTING WORDS IN MY FINGERS I DID NOT COME CLOSE TO SAYING!
SHEESH.
THANKS TONS FOR SETTING THE RECORD STRAIGHT.
My effort did not make it through the review process for some mysterious reason.
Sigh.
Much appreciated.
First and foremost I really, really wonder if this Bob Larson’s claims to have a stable of 100 teams of his demon-busters glamorously traveling the globe driving out evil is in fact true or did he just plagiarize a script from Joss Whedon and scare up a few girls to pose for pictures?
I’d need to see some evidence; ledgers, employee records, receipts, plane tickets, photos, etc.
I forgive you.
No trouble at all forgiving you.
I repent for my impatience with such stuff.
It’s currently a bit hard for me to discern when I should be fierce with such stuff and when I should be patient with it.
Thanks for your kind words.
RE the OP . . .
It was Bruce Larson who wrote LIVING ON THE GROWING EDGE.
Bob Larson has written extensively on spiritual warfare and deliverance
as has . . . the author of
BONDAGE BREAKER.
Bob’s books are listed here:
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=BOB+LARSON
I don’t recall reading all of any of them. I do have a faint memory that what I have read seemed pretty kosher, to me.
I think I particularly liked his well done treatments of satan’s use of rock music etc. I think he’s largely accurate. I do’nt know that I’d be as strictly 100% convinced as to where he’d draw the line on that style of music.
I’m not impressed even with “Christian” rock. However, I don’t know that I’d say 100% of all of what’s classified as that is inherently evil, regardless.
IIRC, Bob Larson may not be that generous toward the genre.
I do believe, from what I faintly recall of his style and convictions . . . that he would NOT turn loose anyone—particularly teens etc. against the enemy without insisting on extensive study, training, etc. And, the OP itself asserts that the individuals involved are participating in serious BIBLICAL study of the issues and factors involved and how to go about it.
LET US NO DIMINISH NOR HINIDER THE POWER OF THE WORD OF GOD AND HOLY SPIRIT’S USE OF IT.
AS we have seen with the Albuquerque group’s distribution of PROCLAIMER MP3 wind-up players to tribal groups with nothing but Scripture on them . . . when given to the “man of peace” in the village and with an agreement of commitment to have 30 min of listening and 30 min of discussion per week . . .
Holy Spirit is well able to establish churches—BIBLICALLY OPERATING, ACTS 2, I COR 12-14 CHURCHES with nothing more.
Scripture and Holy Spirit ARE SUFFICIENT to any situation.
Seminaries/cemetaries are NOT REQUIRED for Holy Spirit and Scripture to be exceedingly powerful against satan. Many are actually on satan’s side.
Yes there are hazards. There are, no doubt, mistakes. Schooling does not exactly prevent such. Schooling can actually increase such.
I think we are also wise to consider Paul’s exhortation to Timothy to avoid allowing folks to dispise his youth.
As my OKLAHOMA Bro noted this week . . . his 4/5 year old daughter has been shocking them with her spiritual wisdom and declarations.
GOD IS doing a new thing with many youth in our era. He WILL USE HIS ‘foolishness’ to confound the wise more and more.
Prissy attitudes, prissy practiices, prissy perspectives, prissy pontifications will eventually, in many cases, find to their shock and dismay that they have ended up on the opposite side of the line from God Almighty. I pray they don’t find out too late.
God is HOLY. He is NOT prissy.
Great to have your perspective in the fray, Bro.
I don’t believe Bob Larson is the type of person to lie about such things.
It’s not that difficult to end up with a hundred teams scattered over the globe when one has an international ministry with books, seminars etc.
It would not have taken much trouble to have had 12 teams in Taipei, alone. I wonder how many he does have there.
These are Biblical principles, folks. They don’t really NEED Bob Larson to do the BIBLICAL thing in such matters.
Nevertheless, he HAS learned a lot from experience and evidently has a program teaching what he’s learned to earnest Christians willing to learn and apply the lessons from experience. More power to them.
All the cheeky self-righteous rock-throwing on this thread about such groups strikes me as from the pit.
Gamaliel’s exhortation seems wiser, to me.
NEIL T ANDERSON
is the author of BONDAGE BREAKER and a lot of other good spiritual warfare books. I’m more familiar with him. His stuff is very good.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=BONDAGE+BREAKER
Derek Prince is probably the ‘Dean’ of such stuff in our era. He’s now graduated from this life. His books are listed here:
In many respects, the BIBLICAL EXHORTATION:
RESIST THE ENEMY AND HE WILL FLEE FROM YOU
is sufficient in many situations.
Nevertheless, in practical terms, many people need coaching, practice and support in doing so.
Much has been made about whether someone is “possessed” or “oppressed.”
As Dr Rob Robley used to point out in San Diego . . . the prayers are essentially the same, REGARDLESS.
Yeah, with some cases involving extensive demonization over many years, prayer and fasting are in order and a team approach is wise. Nevertheless, the spiritual warfare and prayers are essentially the same.
It’s just that big enemy forces can require extra Spiritual clout on God’s side to carry the day—particularly in a timely manner. In some cases, it can be hours and even days of a process.
It’s routine for full deliverance to be a many months process as folks become free in layers and learn to hold their cleansed state against the enemy in layers of a process.
It appears to be the case that where some folks are fully delivered quickly, some may have a hard time standing and staying free with confident effectiveness.
“Are you really sure you want to start tyhis game up again?”
You have no idea.
Your ideas on mental health are reckless and irresponsible and I hope that those who are reading this and are questioning their mental status do have the grace given to them to go to a mental health professional, preferrably a psychiatrist with a family practice or internal medicine background to be diagnosed and treated.
Eternity will reveal
which of us has more
rescued, redeemed, made whole, restored, healed
lives, psyche’s, emotions, relationships, Christian walks
as a result of our respective perspectives on mental health, unhealth as well as on Christian living.
I’m blessed by how God has used me the last 30+ years in such regards.
I’m not sure why so many supervisors sent me their most difficult cases. I only know it happened on 2 continents and that God enabled amazing results.
I suppose you would also castigate Thomas Szaaz?
The Myth of Mental Illness: Foundations of a Theory of Personal Conduct (Revised Edition) by Thomas S. Szasz
Defining disease: the gold standard of disease versus the fiat standard of diagnosis.: An article from: Independent Review
He has a lot of good research to back up his very professional assertions.
I don’t know that I’d go as far as he goes. Yet he makes many very good, accurate, valid points.
I find your assumptions very flawed in this subject area.
You seem to be trying to make my perspective out to be absurd.
Thankfully, I and many hundreds of clients know better. And Thousands of students know better. Certainly God knows better.
In most key respects, I much agree with you.
When one considers eternal issues, I near totally agree with you.
Very true but even if medication is needed per a doctor or psychiatrist I would first seek council from a Christian source. Especially with mind altering drugs.
I just found this in the worship service prayer I am editing for tomorrow for my Pastor and wanted to post it on FR.
Our spiritual senses are blinded and clouded over by a huge amount of noise and dirt. One of the greatest sources for this noise and dirt arises from the judgments of our minds. Heavenly Father Enable us to realize that it is not by the judgments of our minds that we become overcomers:
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