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To: humantech

“salvation by granted by works + faith or faith alone?”

neither, salvation is by grace.

you see no where where the Scriptures teach baptism taking our sins or giving us the Holy Spirit. change “or” to “and” and that’s almost exactly what Peter said in Acts 2:38.

you apparently believe in the Holy Spirit, great, so do i. I believe Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to the Church to lead it to all truth. and what truth did the Holy Spirit lead Christians to believe from 33ad to the present? that baptism is for the remission of sins and receiving the Holy Spirit. this is the orthodox Faith.


85 posted on 08/11/2011 6:08:24 PM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

“neither, salvation is by grace.”

Yes, salvation is by grace, but it is through faith and not of works - Ephesians 2:8-9


88 posted on 08/11/2011 6:22:03 PM PDT by Turtlepower
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Whoops- Sorry- was doing a drive by posting in a hurry and mistyped. the correct answer is what you have posted- we are saved by grace through faith.I mentioned that in my first post.
I believe the same as you on the Holy Spirit to the Church to lead it to all truth.
I’m also quite familiar with Acts 2:38. What isn’t clear to me is where you are coming from in the One baptism area. I read Act 2:38 as “ Repent and be Baptized, every one of you , IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST for the forgiveness of your sins and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit” -
So then can you clarify your position on the One baptism? I’m not being argumentative, just curious. Is the moment of Baptism the moment you have accepted Jesus as your Lord and savior ( Baptized in the name of Jesus Christ is my belief and personal experience when I was saved, as well as how I read the scriptures) or when you physically are baptized with water by a priest or witness?


92 posted on 08/11/2011 7:37:42 PM PDT by humantech ("No one wants to live to see such evil times. Its what you do with the time you are given")
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