Know Mormons' beliefs before voting for them

WyomingTribuneEagle ^ | July 9, 2011 | Dion Clark

[greyfoxx39]

In response to whether the public should vote for a Mormon for president, one should know what beliefs a candidate had.

Mitt Romney and Jon Huntsman have Mormon roots and they have been vague about their beliefs and loyalty to the LDS church.

Mormon theology includes ideas like their priesthood brethren will become the government leaders, or future kings of the world, in a globalized theocracy, and that their male leaders will take over when a second coming of Christ occurs. They believe they are the pre-ordained leaders to rule over a coming theocratic kingdom.

Worthy Mormon males are temple attending, dressing in white with special learned handshakes, altar rituals, Masonic rites and gestures and do secretive activities different from normal society.

They believe they are the future gods of new worlds in a life after this one. They follow prophets with ever-changing doctrine and change their fictional "Book of Mormon" every time it is found to be un-politically correct.

Their women are taught they are good for breeding, to have large families.

A member of this cult is loyal to its church leaders and to whatever their modern prophets tell them is gospel, which changes at their will.

They claim to be Christian, but Mormon polytheism of many gods/goddesses in a hereafter, rituals that must be performed in their temples, garment wearing and works (not grace) that saves a person is different ideology.

It is debatable whether Mormons are Christians, and they have other scriptures special to Mormonism written by their leaders, not just the New Testament, like their Doctrine and Covenants and Book of Mormon.

To learn about them and their practices, beliefs and personal character will help us determine whether they are the future leaders of Americans. Or are they really stuck in their controversial past?

[MARTIAL MONK]

I don’t know why you would need anything on Mormon voting except to confirm what you already know. I’ll go ahead and confirm it. I’m sure we have exit polling but it’s not worth a phone call to Nevada to find out, just look at the general.

Lincoln County is directly north of Clark County (Las Vegas). It is 70% Mormon. Here’s the numbers:

COUNTY	%MORMON	%CATHOLIC	%MINORITY	BUSH/KERRY	McCAIN/OBAMA	ANGLE/REID
LINCOLN	70%	14%	14%	77/20	71/25	67/22

Lincoln County is 14% minority. We know that minorities voted Reid 68-78%. That accounts for 14% of the population and about half of Reid’s votes. The rest is pretty much Mormon.

Notice the huge shift from past voting patterns as the Mormons abandoned Angle to vote for Reid.

Actually, there was a shift.

Nevada has a “none of the above” line on the ballot. In Lincoln County I think that about 4-5% chose that to express their displeasure with Angle. Angle attended a church where the preacher was Bible thumpin’ moron. He started mouthing off about Mormons. Angle disavowed any belief in his dingbattery but there was at least some damage done.

Here’s the numbers on most of the Nevada counties. You can draw your own conclusions.

COUNTY	%MORMON	%CATHOLIC	%MINORITY	BUSH/KERRY	McCAIN/OBAMA	ANGLE/REID
CLARK	16	47	45	47/52	39/58	41/54
CHURCHILL	32	29	18	72/26	64/33	63/28
DOUGLASS	14	51	12	63/34	57/42	60/35
ELKO	35	41	25	78/20	68/28	64/25
EUREKA	31	45	15	77/20	76/19	69/18
HUMBOLDT	24	51	27	72/25	63/34	57/32
LANDER	28	40	33	78/20	71/28	63/26
LYON	28	45	18	65/33	58/40	60/32
MINERAL	23	37	23	57/40	49/47	43/45
NYE	29	32	17	59/39	58/39	54/37
WASHOE	12	57	30	51/47	56/43	45/50
WHITE PINE	40	48	21	69/29	64/32	67/22

[reaganaut]

Why then are you here?

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To witness the truth to Mormons (who are so sadly deceived) and to keep an eye on trolls like you.

Viewing your posting history recently, you haven’t made a comment that is worth anything, just snarky remarks and attacks. Even to the point of defending Casey Anthony.

Head back over to DU with the libs. They are much more likely to agree with your assessment that we are ‘skinheads’ and ‘bigots’.

[Elsie]

In the beginning, the head of the Gods called a council of the Gods; and they came together and concocted a plan ...

And it has hold of 13,000,000 suckers: so far...

[reaganaut]

Catholic? That would make sense.

I never get why Catholics defend Mormonism in light of the things Mormons believe about the Catholic church and in light of Catholic teachings about the Mormons (that they are not Christians).

[Elsie]

I am Christian.

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1 Timothy 4

1 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2 Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 3 They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. 4 For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5 because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.

6 If you point these things out to the brothers and sisters, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, nourished on the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed. 7 Have nothing to do with godless myths and old wives’ tales; rather, train yourself to be godly. 8 For physical training is of some value, but godliness has value for all things, holding promise for both the present life and the life to come. 9 This is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance. 10 That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.

11 Command and teach these things. 12 Don’t let anyone look down on you because you are young, but set an example for the believers in speech, in conduct, in love, in faith and in purity. 13 Until I come, devote yourself to the public reading of Scripture, to preaching and to teaching. 14 Do not neglect your gift, which was given you through prophecy when the body of elders laid their hands on you.

15 Be diligent in these matters; give yourself wholly to them, so that everyone may see your progress. 16 Watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers.

[Elsie]

what?

According to MORMONism, everyone NOT mormon is a gentile.

http://www.google.com/search?q=are+jews+gentile+to+mormons&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-Address&ie=&oe=

[Elsie]

Just more names to add to the list of insults we’ve been called (I think skinhead is a new one).

Where is Roget' when you need him?

[reaganaut]

They are vitriolic, unremitting in their overly-emotional self-rightousness, condemnation of that which they decide they do not like, agree with or understand

You despise Mormons and Mormonism - we all get that. You hate Romney - we all get that

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Which is exactly why I posted by background. I do understand Mormonism, better than most even many Mormons. And I don’t like it, because I lived it, I found out that the church lies to its members and deceives outsiders. People are tricked into joining and the LDS church makes it hard to leave.

BTW, we despise Mormonism. And yes we hate Romeny (and with very good reason). But it would be wrong to state we hate Mormons. I have several LDS friends (who know how I feel and what I do). If we hated MORMONS we would just let them go to Hell without telling them the truth.

Mormons and their defenders are the overly emotional self righteous bunch. The Christians on here who oppose Mormonism know our righteousness isn’t self, it is in Christ.

[Elsie]

starlifter is a Catholic.

HMMmm...

a CATHOLIC sticking up for MORMONism.

Does she(?) not know the RCC stance on MORMONism?

[Graybeard58]

Well, a big yes, on everything you said in #133. The truth and nothing but the truth, You couldn't print the "whole truth" about Mormonism and their false prophet(s), you wouldn't have had room.

[svcw]

THX 1138

[CharlesWayneCT]

Notice the huge shift from past voting patterns as the Mormons abandoned Angle to vote for Reid.

I appreciate the information, that's a smart way to analyze, but I don't understand your statement at all. Looking at the Lincoln County data, I see that Kerry got 20%, Obama got 25%, and Reid got 22%. So it looks to me like Reid got about the same number of votes as non-Mormon democrats. I don't see any "huge shift from past voting patterns", much less "Mormons abandoned Angle". It looks like Mormons voted FOR angle.

As you said, 14% are minority and reid took over 2/3rds of the minority. Catholics actually split their vote republican/democrat, so that's at least another 5%, leaving Reid with 7% of his vote coming from Mormons.

But let's not quibble or guess. Presume that every non-Mormon chose Angle. That's 28% of the electorate. Presume Reid's 22% was entirely Mormon. That leaves 39% for Angle. So at worst case, in Lincoln County Angle took the Mormon vote over Reid by 39% to 22%, close to a 2-1 margin.

Remember, the original argument was that Reid won a majority of the Mormon vote. But in this county, he clearly didn't come CLOSE to winning a majority of the Mormon vote.

Every county you showed where Mormons made up more than 30% of the vote, it looks like Angle crushed Reid. Your numbers support my contention that Mormons did NOT vote for Reid over Angle. Thank you for that information.

Now, maybe the more interesting question is, did Catholics vote more for Reid than Angle, either because a lot of Catholics do vote Democrat? We know a lot of Hispanics are Catholic, and Reid crushed Angle in the Hispanic vote, so it wouldn't be surprising. Catholics might also have been turned off by Angle's brand of Christianity.

But the particular counties you gave don't show that -- some majority-catholic counties picked Reid, but some were strongly for Angle.

[Graybeard58]

the Flying Inmans as they are called, are members of all Christian churches, Catholic, protestant, Orthodox.

A charter member of The Flying Inmans". I share some very basic beliefs with all the other Inmans, that are not part of cultism. Mormonism is labeled a cult by those faiths you mentioned for a reason.

There's nothing cult members would like better than to see Christians fighting among themselves.

[Elsie]

There's nothing cult members would like better than to see Christians fighting among themselves.

^{Gosh! How did you ever find this out???)}

[MARTIAL MONK]

Sorry, I was just being snarky. The Mormon vote is the most conservative and reliable voting block out there.

I included the Catholic and minority columns because they are influential and do overlap. It's a clearer picture of what influenced Angle/Reid.

[Godzilla]

I never get why Catholics defend Mormonism in light of the things Mormons believe about the Catholic church and in light of Catholic teachings about the Mormons (that they are not Christians).

I'll be an equal opportunity offender - other Christians defend mormonism as well. It comes from ignorance of mormon teachings, doctrines and agressive missionary outreach.

I've seen commentary that Catholics were singled out more by mormon missionaries than other Christians because the members didn't generally have a good grasp of their doctrines and theology and could easily become swayed by the "Christian sounding" terms and arguements of mormons.

However, Catholics are no longer alone in failing to understand their theology and doctrines - the rest of Christianity is suffering immensely the same clamity. Learning doctrine and truth in Sunday school has been abandoned because it wasn't exciting as the social gospel message (as well as a dozen other reasons). Sermons have been watered down, etc.

Perhaps instead of condemning those who accurately present the actual doctrines of mormonism here, they can actually LEARN something - compare their church's doctrines to that of mormonism. In the case of the Catholic Church, they are on the record as rejecting mormonism's claim to being Christian. Perhaps those Catholics who seem to be defending mormonism should examine WHY their church rejects mormonism - as well as other Christians who's churches have similar positions.

I fail to see how pointing out that mormons reject the Trinity (for instance) as well as nearly every other distinct Christian doctrine - makes a presenter some how a 'skinhead'. So starlifter - if you are Catholic, why not research why the Catholic church rejects mormonism before you start standing by calling others 'skinheads', etc.

[Elsie]

Office of First President & Living Prophet®:

July 16th, 2011

Another tactic for this month is -

...to stay on our mantra: We ARE the TRUE Christians!!

 

We've been taking a beating on the Internet - especially from those hateful ANTIs on FreeRepublic!

 

THOSE 'christians' are ALWAYS fighting amoung them selves (as they should since they are APOSTATE and UNrestored)!

 

Keep the media and FR lurkers WELL informed of their dastardly ways!

 

Tommy

[Elsie]

However, Catholics are no longer alone in failing to understand their theology and doctrines - the rest of Christianity is suffering immensely the same clamity.

"My people perish from lack of knowledge."

Hosea 4:6

[Colofornian]

Sorry, I was just being snarky. The Mormon vote is the most conservative and reliable voting block out there.

Sorry, but since 94% of Utah Mormons -- and 94% of Nevada Mormons -- all voted for Mitt Romney in the 2008 election...I would say when you vote for a pro-abortion, pro-socialized healthcare, pro-global warming, pro-protect homosexuals as "sexual minorities" in the workplace candidate, that either makes you a waffling voter or a liberal voter...certainly less than "reliably" /consistently "conservative."

To many Mormon voters, identity politics trumps conservative vs. liberal re: the candidate they vote for...The Salt Lake Tribune in early February, 2008 said that Utah Mormon voters first looked to "qualities" of a candidate...read..."fellow Mormon."

The Trib said that bucked national exit poll data that showed voters in other states who looked at the issues.

What's so "funny" about so many FREEPERS in 2011 is that I can't tell you how many times I've seen their "sermons" on "forgetting about Romney's 'religion,' it's the 'issues' I'm concerned about." Yet, I didn't see ANY of those sermons aimed @ Utah Mormons when I consistently reported on FR in February 2008 -- and have repeatedly mentioned it since then -- that Utah Mormons eschewed the "issues" in '08 in favor of "religion" -- identity politics.

Why have FREEPERS been so fearful to don the pulpit and preach the same sermon to Utah Mormons? Doesn't their 2008 voting record prove they need to hear that sermon?

Let me repeat that for emphasis: Why have FREEPERS been so fearful to don the pulpit and preach the same sermon to Utah Mormons? Doesn't their 2008 voting record prove they need to hear that sermon?

[starlifter]

“Even to the point of defending Casey Anthony.”

I wonder if you can give a specific reference where I defended her?