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To: Cronos
The original false assertion that I rebutted (by giving specific examples) was that Calvinists didn't believe in missionary work. Your 4 points here are unresponsive as to why the particular Calvinists I listed engaged in missionary work.

1. This is incompatible with Calvin's own Limited Atonement and double predestination philosophy. If one follows Calvinist philosophy on this, then none can "do" (do = work) anything to bring anything to Christ's fold as it's already pre-programmed.

Though unresponsive to the original point of contention, I can say that your characterization is a caricature of Limited Atonement and Double Predestination. in any event, your theological assessment does not explain why the particular Calvinists I listed engaged in missionary work.

2. Calvin did not evangelize France. Remigius did that in 496 AD

False dichotomy. The two are not necessaryily mutually exclusive.

3. Prove your statement that Calvin sent out more missionaries than the BAptist, Pentecostals, Methodists of today.

Good and valid point. First, I should note that it was not my statement. I was quoting the author in context, and that particular assertion is probably an overstatement at best. It is weak on its face, and unsupported by any statistical evidence. You are right to question it. The point in the paragraph that caught my attention, however, and which can be substantiated is that, "just in one year, 142 missionaries were sent out by Calvin to go around the world and reach people with the gospel message."

4. The missionary movement was founded by Christ. There is no such thing as "modern missionary movement" indicating a discontinuation with the original message to spread the Word of Christ -- the commission given by Christ Himself.

There is no dispute that the missionary movement was founded by Christ. I think it should go without saying, though, that one can accept the Great Commission as given by Christ Himself and at the same time distinguish for the sake of clarity between different time periods of missionary activity in Church history, without any contradiction, denial or discontinuation with the Original Commission.

Once again, my major point here is that your theological disputation does not account for why the particular Calvinists I listed engaged in the extensive missionary work that they did.

Cordially,

87 posted on 07/05/2011 9:10:47 AM PDT by Diamond (He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people,)
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To: Diamond
As i said Calvinism is incompatible with missionary work -- see how the Union Baptists like Abner Smith and Ariel Dancer followed the "two seeds" Calvinist doctrine that it was foolish to present the Word to the non-elect and that the elect would be won without missionaries
123 posted on 07/05/2011 3:04:54 PM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: Diamond
caricature of Limited Atonement and Double Predestination

Hardly -- Limited Atonement says that Christ's salvation was not sufficient to save the entire world and denies the Bible itself as the Bible asserts that Christ was the Savior for all mankind. Double Predestination is refuted in Ezekiel 33:12-16 -- God is the one who does the saving, but man damns himself from his own hands -- God does not, as followers of Calvin believe -- pre-program someone to do evil and then pre-damns them to hell

Calvin did not evangelize France. Remigius did that in 496 AD -- repeated again, Calvin didn't evangelize anywhere, he just set up a police state in Geneva

you stated that in one year Calvin sent out 142 folks to go "around the world" -- firstly, saying that Calvin sent out more folks then than the modern day Pentecostals/Methodists/Baptist do today is wrong secondly, this is speculation and thirdly "around the world" -- that's not even clarified, Calvin didn't send any folks to convert folks outside Europe did he?

As I said The missionary movement was founded by Christ. There is no such thing as "modern missionary movement" indicating a discontinuation with the original message to spread the Word of Christ -- the commission given by Christ Himself. followers of Calvin did not "start a modern missionary movement" unless you acknowledge that Calvinism is separate, distinct and different from Christianity.

125 posted on 07/05/2011 3:10:43 PM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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