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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
Take your day late and million$ short spin cycle revisionist half-truths back to some European monarch, and bow low before his feet!

No earthly kings for me, thanks in part to the braver among my Protestant American fore-fathers. FREEDOM from the tyranny of man-appointed "kings"...that's what this day is about.

The very idea of it changed the world of men in ways both large and small.

The church you promote and practice apologetics for had it's chance...had centuries of "chance". They messed it up enough, blending the sacred with the less than, and even the profane, that people turned from their declared rule in huge numbers.

Blending religious authority with political power (the power to rule utterly over others) brought decidedly mixed outcomes. Many suffered for political or philosophical reasons--- even unto death, for daring to speak against what the Roman branch of "the church" had become. This "church" justified it's oppressions of others, sanctioned the oppressions of kings over others as being God's own desire. That part, was a big fat lie!

But what else could have been expected? That men would actually be Holy & just? Well, mankind in general is not. The human heart is wicked (in comparison to that which is truly Holy). The churchmen of old, whom were rebelled against, were certainly not a uniform exception to the rule.

We need only look at human beings in general today (churchmen or "religious" folks included) to see that not much has changed as to the human condition.

There is potential among humans, to practice what is sacred, and what is depraved. Sometimes---on the same day!

Have a happy 4th.

Enjoy what liberties we can still exercise in this time & place, under God. That is more God's own desire for us, than to be ruled over by wicked kings, or politicians using the trappings of "church", telling us, "hey, Jesus died on the Cross, but he left ME in charge!!!"

12 posted on 07/04/2011 10:26:39 AM PDT by BlueDragon (tonto he got smart said listenkimmosabe, kissmyass I boughtaboat, I'm headedout to sea)
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To: BlueDragon; Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
Take your day late and million$ short spin cycle revisionist half-truths back to some European monarch, and bow low before his feet!

The Baptists and their precedents are among the most persecuted Christians in history. I doubt you will find any support for govt churches, or monarchs, imposing their views on them.

14 posted on 07/04/2011 10:35:32 AM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: BlueDragon
No earthly kings for me, thanks in part to the braver among my Protestant American fore-fathers.

Um - you do realise that the Calvinists in Europe were among the most vigourous enemies of religious liberty both in Europe and in the American colonies, right?

Oh, you didn't know that, because you've never bothered to actually think about and study the history for yourself?

If you like religious liberty, thank the Baptists who convinced Madison and Jefferson to include it in the Bill of Rights.

17 posted on 07/04/2011 5:59:22 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus ("Armed forces abroad are of little value unless there is prudent counsel at home." - Cicero)
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