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To: BlueDragon
No earthly kings for me, thanks in part to the braver among my Protestant American fore-fathers.

Um - you do realise that the Calvinists in Europe were among the most vigourous enemies of religious liberty both in Europe and in the American colonies, right?

Oh, you didn't know that, because you've never bothered to actually think about and study the history for yourself?

If you like religious liberty, thank the Baptists who convinced Madison and Jefferson to include it in the Bill of Rights.

17 posted on 07/04/2011 5:59:22 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus ("Armed forces abroad are of little value unless there is prudent counsel at home." - Cicero)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
Don't try to pretend to know what I think. I don't restrict study of history to Catholic aplogetics as some here seem to. sORRY, but I don't buy into the brainwashing.

Catholics were slaughtering (proto-)Baptists long before any Calvinists joined in the fray. The Calvinists LEARNED religious violence and repression from who? well, not from any Baptists, that's for sure. I leave it to you to figure it out...

One thing we do know -- the idea of freedom among men, freedom from the tyranny of earthly kings -- did NOT flow out of the Roman Church circa 1400-1700.

They mouth agreement to it now, because they can no longer afford to argue against it.

...it burns you up, doesn't it? what you champion, was in past centuries the enemy of what is held dear by many in this nation. Freedom. (not a "Catholic" idea!)

27 posted on 07/04/2011 7:57:54 PM PDT by BlueDragon (tonto he got smart said listenkimmosabe, kissmyass I boughtaboat, I'm headedout to sea)
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