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CALVINISM IN AMERICA [Happy "Presbyterian Rebellion" Day, everybody!]
Reformed Theology.org ^ | Loraine Boettner

Posted on 07/04/2011 8:49:43 AM PDT by Alex Murphy

When we come to study the influence of Calvinism as a political force in the history of the United States we come to one of the brightest pages of all Calvinistic history. Calvinism came to America in the Mayflower, and Bancroft, the greatest of American historians, pronounces the Pilgrim Fathers "Calvinists in their faith according to the straightest system."1 John Endicott, the first governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony; John Winthrop, the second governor of that Colony; Thomas Hooker, the founder of Connecticut; John Davenport, the founder of the New Haven Colony; and Roger Williams, the founder of the Rhode Island Colony, were all Calvinists. William Penn was a disciple of the Huguenots. It is estimated that of the 3,000,000 Americans at the time of the American Revolution, 900,000 were of Scotch or Scotch-Irish origin, 600,000 were Puritan English, and 400,000 were German or Dutch Reformed. In addition to this the Episcopalians had a Calvinistic confession in their Thirty-nine Articles; and many French Huguenots also had come to this western world. Thus we see that about two-thirds of the colonial population had been trained in the school of Calvin. Never in the world's history had a nation been founded by such people as these. Furthermore these people came to America not primarily for commercial gain or advantage, but because of deep religious convictions. It seems that the religious persecutions in various European countries had been providentially used to select out the most progressive and enlightened people for the colonization of America. At any rate it is quite generally admitted that the English, Scotch, Germans, and Dutch have been the most masterful people of Europe. Let it be especially remembered that the Puritans, who formed the great bulk of the settlers in New England, brought with them a Calvinistic Protestantism, that they were truly devoted to the doctrines of the great Reformers, that they had an aversion for formalism and oppression whether in the Church or in the State, and that in New England Calvinism remained the ruling theology throughout the entire Colonial period.

With this background we shall not be surprised to find that the Presbyterians took a very prominent part in the American Revolution. Our own historian Bancroft says: "The Revolution of 1776, so far as it was affected by religion, was a Presbyterian measure. It was the natural outgrowth of the principles which the Presbyterianism of the Old World planted in her sons, the English Puritans, the Scotch Covenanters, the French Huguenots, the Dutch Calvinists, and the Presbyterians of Ulster." So intense, universal, and aggressive were the Presbyterians in their zeal for liberty that the war was spoken of in England as "The Presbyterian Rebellion." An ardent colonial supporter of King George III wrote home: "I fix all the blame for these extraordinary proceedings upon the Presbyterians. They have been the chief and principal instruments in all these flaming measures. They always do and ever will act against government from that restless and turbulent anti-monarchial spirit which has always distinguished them everywhere."2 When the news of "these extraordinary proceedings" reached England, Prime Minister Horace Walpole said in Parliament, "Cousin America has run off with a Presbyterian parson" (John Witherspoon, president of Princeton, signer of Declaration of Independence).

History is eloquent in declaring that American democracy was born of Christianity and that that Christianity was Calvinism. The great Revolutionary conflict which resulted in the formation of the American nation, was carried out mainly by Calvinists, many of whom had been trained in the rigidly Presbyterian College at Princeton, and this nation is their gift to all liberty loving people.

J. R. Sizoo tells us: "When Cornwallis was driven back to ultimate retreat and surrender at Yorktown, all of the colonels of the Colonial Army but one were Presbyterian elders. More than one-half of all the soldiers and officers of the American Army during the Revolution were Presbyterians."3

The testimony of Emilio Castelar, the famous Spanish statesman, orator and scholar, is interesting and valuable. Castelar had been professor of Philosophy in the University of Madrid before he entered politics, and he was made president of the republic which was set up by the Liberals in 1873. As a Roman Catholic he hated Calvin and Calvinism. Says he: "It was necessary for the republican movement that there should come a morality more austere than Luther's, the morality of Calvin, and a Church more democratic than the German, the Church of Geneva. The Anglo-Saxon democracy has for its lineage a book of a primitive society — the Bible. It is the product of a severe theology learned by the few Christian fugitives in the gloomy cities of Holland and Switzerland, where the morose shade of Calvin still wanders . . . And it remains serenely in its grandeur, forming the most dignified, most moral and most enlightened portion of the human race."4

Says Motley: "In England the seeds of liberty, wrapped up in Calvinism and hoarded through many trying years, were at last destined to float over land and sea, and to bear the largest harvests of temperate freedom for great commonwealths that were still unborn.5 "The Calvinists founded the commonwealths of England, of Holland, and America." And again, "To Calvinists more than to any other class of men, the political liberties of England, Holland and America are due."6

The testimony of another famous historian, the Frenchman Taine, who himself held no religious faith, is worthy of consideration. Concerning the Calvinists he said: "These men are the true heroes of England. They founded England, in spite of the corruption of the Stuarts, by the exercise of duty, by the practice of justice, by obstinate toil, by vindication of right, by resistance to oppression, by the conquest of liberty, by the repression of vice. They founded Scotland; they founded the United States; at this day they are, by their descendants, founding Australia and colonizing the world."7

In his book, "The Creed of Presbyterians," E. W. Smith asks concerning the American colonists, "Where learned they those immortal principles of the rights of man, of human liberty, equality and self-government, on which they based their Republic, and which form today the distinctive glory of our American civilization ? In the school of Calvin they learned them. There the modern world learned them. So history teaches," (p. 121).

We shall now pass on to consider the influence which the Presbyterian Church as a Church exerted in the formation of the Republic. "The Presbyterian Church," said Dr. W. H. Roberts in an address before the General Assembly, "was for three-quarters of a century the sole representative upon this continent of republican government as now organized in the nation." And then he continues: "From 1706 to the opening of the revolutionary struggle the only body in existence which stood for our present national political organization was the General Synod of the American Presbyterian Church. It alone among ecclesiastical and political colonial organizations exercised authority, derived from the colonists themselves, over bodies of Americans scattered through all the colonies from New England to Georgia. The colonies in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, it is to be remembered, while all dependent upon Great Britain, were independent of each other. Such a body as the Continental Congress did not exist until 1774. The religious condition of the country was similar to the political. The Congregational Churches of New England had no connection with each other, and had no power apart from the civil government. The Episcopal Church was without organization in the colonies, was dependent for support and a ministry on the Established Church of England, and was filled with an intense loyalty to the British monarchy. The Reformed Dutch Church did not become an efficient and independent organization until 1771, and the German Reformed Church did not attain to that condition until 1793. The Baptist Churches were separate organizations, the Methodists were practically unknown, and the Quakers were non-combatants."

Delegates met every year in the General Synod, and as Dr. Roberts tells us, the Church became "a bond of union and correspondence between large elements in the population of the divided colonies." "Is it any wonder," he continues, "that under its fostering influence the sentiments of true liberty, as well as the tenets of a sound gospel, were preached throughout the territory from Long Island to South Carolina, and that above all a feeling of unity between the Colonies began slowly but surely to assert itself? Too much emphasis cannot be laid, in connection with the origin of the nation, upon the influence of that ecclesiastical republic, which from 1706 to 1774 was the only representative on this continent of fully developed federal republican institutions. The United States of America owes much to that oldest of American Republics, the Presbyterian Church."8

It is, of course, not claimed that the Presbyterian Church was the only source from which sprang the principles upon which this republic is founded, but it is claimed that the principles found in the Westminster Standards were the chief basis for the republic, and that "The Presbyterian Church taught, practiced, and maintained in fulness, first in this land that form of government in accordance with which the Republic has been organized." (Roberts).

The opening of the Revolutionary struggle found the Presbyterian ministers and churches lined up solidly on the side of the colonists, and Bancroft accredits them with having made the first bold move toward independence.9 The synod which assembled in Philadelphia in 1775 was the first religious body to declare openly and publicly for a separation from England. It urged the people under its jurisdiction to leave nothing undone that would promote the end in view, and called upon them to pray for the Congress which was then in session.

The Episcopalian Church was then still united with the Church of England, and it opposed the Revolution. A considerable number of individuals within that Church, however, labored earnestly for independence and gave of their wealth and influence to secure it. It is to be remembered also that the Commander-in-Chief of the American armies, "the father of our country," was a member of her household. Washington himself attended, and ordered all of his men to attend the services of his chaplains, who were clergymen from the various churches. He gave forty thousand dollars to establish a Presbyterian College in his native state, which took his name in honor of the gift and became Washington College.

N. S. McFetridge has thrown light upon another major development of the Revolutionary period. For the sake of accuracy and completeness we shall take the privilege of quoting him rather extensively. "Another important factor in the independent movement," says he, "was what is known as the 'Mecklenburg Declaration,' proclaimed by the Scotch-Irish Presbyterians of North Carolina, May 20, 1775, more than a year before the Declaration (of Independence) of Congress. It was the fresh, hearty greeting of the Scotch-Irish to their struggling brethren in the North, and their bold challenge to the power of England. They had been keenly watching the progress of the contest between the colonies and the Crown, and when they heard of the address presented by the Congress to the King, declaring the colonies in actual rebellion, they deemed it time for patriots to speak. Accordingly, they called a representative body together in Charlotte, N. C., which by unanimous resolution declared the people free and independent, and that all laws and commissions from the king were henceforth null and void. In their Declaration were such resolutions as these: 'We do hereby dissolve the political bands which have connected us with the mother-country, and hereby absolve ourselves from all allegiance to the British crown' .... 'We hereby declare ourselves a free and independent people; are, and of right ought to be, a sovereign and self-governing association, under control of no power other than that of our God and the general government of Congress; to the maintenance of which we solemnly pledge to each other our mutual cooperation and our lives, our fortunes and our most sacred honor.' ... That assembly was composed of twenty-seven staunch Calvinists, just one-third of whom were ruling elders in the Presbyterian Church, including the president and secretary; and one was a Presbyterian clergyman. The man who drew up that famous and important document was the secretary, Ephraim Brevard, a ruling elder of the Presbyterian Church and a graduate of Princeton College. Bancroft says of it that it was, 'in effect, a declaration as well as a complete system of government.' (U.S. Hist. VIII, 40). It was sent by special messenger to the Congress in Philadelphia, and was published in the Cape Fear Mercury, and was widely distributed throughout the land. Of course it was speedily transmitted to England, where it became the cause of intense excitement.

"The identity of sentiment and similarity of expression in this Declaration and the great Declaration written by Jefferson could not escape the eye of the historian; hence Tucker, in his Life of Jefferson, says: 'Everyone must be persuaded that one of these papers must have been borrowed from the other.' But it is certain that Brevard could not have 'borrowed' from Jefferson, for he wrote more than a year before Jefferson; hence Jefferson, according to his biographer, must have 'borrowed' from Brevard. But it was a happy plagiarism, for which the world will freely forgive him. In correcting his first draft of the Declaration it can be seen, in at least a few places, that Jefferson has erased the original words and inserted those which are first found in the Mecklenberg Declaration. No one can doubt that Jefferson had Brevard's resolutions before him when he was writing his immortal Declaration."10

This striking similarity between the principles set forth in the Form of Government of the Presbyterian Church and those set forth in the Constitution of the United States has caused much comment. "When the fathers of our Republic sat down to frame a system of representative and popular government," says Dr. E. W. Smith, "their task was not so difficult as some have imagined. They had a model to work by."11

"If the average American citizen were asked, who was the founder of America, the true author of our great Republic, he might be puzzled to answer. We can imagine his amazement at hearing the answer given to this question by the famous German historian, Ranke, one of the profoundest scholars of modern times. Says Ranke, 'John Calvin was the virtual founder of America.'"12

D'Aubigne, whose history of the Reformation is a classic, writes: "Calvin was the founder of the greatest of republics. The Pilgrims who left their country in the reign of James I, and landing on the barren soil of New England, founded populous and mighty colonies, were his sons, his direct and legitimate sons; and that American nation which we have seen growing so rapidly boasts as its father the humble Reformer on the shore of Lake Leman."13

Dr. E. W. Smith says, "These revolutionary principles of republican liberty and self-government, taught and embodied in the system of Calvin, were brought to America, and in this new land where they have borne so mighty a harvest were planted, by whose hands? — the hands of the Calvinists. The vital relation of Calvin and Calvinism to the founding of the free institutions of America, however strange in some ears the statement of Ranke may have sounded, is recognized and affirmed by historians of all lands and creeds."14

All this has been thoroughly understood and candidly acknowledged by such penetrating and philosophic historians as Bancroft, who far though he was from being Calvinistic in his own personal convictions, simply calls Calvin "the father of America," and adds: "He who will not honor the memory and respect the influence of Calvin knows but little of the origin of American liberty."

When we remember that two-thirds of the population at the time of the Revolution had been trained in the school of Calvin, and when we remember how unitedly and enthusiastically the Calvinists labored for the cause of independence, we readily see how true are the above testimonies.

There were practically no Methodists in America at the time of the Revolution; and, in fact, the Methodist Church was not officially organized as such in England until the year 1784, which was three years after the American Revolution closed. John Wesley, great and good man though he was, was a Tory and a believer in political non-resistance. He wrote against the American "rebellion," but accepted the providential result. McFetridge tells us: "The Methodists had hardly a foothold in the colonies when the war began. In 1773 they claimed about one hundred and sixty members. Their ministers were almost all, if not all, from England, and were staunch supporters of the Crown against American Independence. Hence, when the war broke out they were compelled to fly from the country. Their political views were naturally in accord with those of their great leader, John Wesley, who wielded all the power of his eloquence and influence against the independence of the colonies. (Bancroft, Hist. U.S., Vol. VII, p. 261.) He did not foresee that independent America was to be the field on which his noble Church was to reap her largest harvests, and that in that Declaration which he so earnestly opposed lay the security of the liberties of his followers."15

In England and America the great struggles for civil and religious liberty were nursed in Calvinism, inspired by Calvinism, and carried out largely by men who were Calvinists. And because the majority of historians have never made a serious study of Calvinism they have never been able to give us a truthful and complete account of what it has done in these countries. Only the light of historical investigation is needed to show us how our forefathers believed in it and were controlled by it. We live in a day when the services of the Calvinists in the founding of this country have been largely forgotten, and one can hardly treat of this subject without appearing to be a mere eulogizer of Calvinism. We may well do honor to that Creed which has borne such sweet fruits and to which America owes so much.

Footnotes:

1Hist. U. S., I, p. 463.
2Presbyterians and the Revolution, p. 49.
3They Seek a Country, J. G. Slosser, editor, p. 155.
4Harper's Monthly. June and July, 1872.
5The'United Netherlands, III., p. 121.
6The United Netherlands, IV., pp. 548, 547.
7English Literature, II., p. 472.
8Address on, "The Westminster Standards and the Formation of the American Republic.
9Hist. U.S., X., p. 77.
10Calvinism in History, pp. 85-88.
11The Creed of Presbyterians, p. 142.
12Id. p. 119.
13Reformation in the Time of Calvin, I., p. 5.
14The Creed of Presbyterians, p. 132.
15Calvinism in History, p. 74.


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To: Salvation

“What is your source for this list?”

Oops! I forgot to include this in my previous post:

Primary Source Documents Pertaining to Early American History
http://www.constitution.org/primarysources/primarysources.html


101 posted on 07/05/2011 11:06:50 AM PDT by Matchett-PI ("I used to think Obama was an empty suit but now I think he has filled his pants." ~badgerlandjim)
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To: Salvation
"I have never seen Episcopalians referred to as Calvinists."

Nor have I. The names of the two types of church governance tell you they are mutually incompatible. Episcopal churches have an organizational structure based upon bishops whereas Presbyterians (Calvinists) have one based upon elders. Stand by for an attempted Jedi mind trick mind warping while this one gets explained away.

102 posted on 07/05/2011 11:18:02 AM PDT by Natural Law (For God so loved the world He did not send a book.)
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To: Natural Law
Eugenius excommunicated anyone who enslaved newly converted Christians but no protection was offered to those who declined to become Christians Roman Catholic.

Some limited "freedom" to be under the rule of a pope, yeah they offered that much...but every other slave was out of luck (at the time).

Didn't an earlier pope grant permission to Phillip of Portugal to TAKE slaves in parts of Africa? After he heard of the competition there, for land and power, and that the Muslims were in the biz?

Here's one, along those lines (albeit not the one I was looking for)

From http://www.romancatholicism.org/popes-slavery.htm ;

bold highlighting concerning papal approval of slavery

red highlighting concerning sanctioning of wholesale theft of properties and lands through military conquest, both my own

103 posted on 07/05/2011 11:18:59 AM PDT by BlueDragon (tonto he got smart said listenkimmosabe, kissmyass I boughtaboat, I'm headedout to sea)
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To: Natural Law
Note the differences between the eras.

Pre-Reforamtion, the Catholic church of Rome was into power politics in big way.

After the influence of the Reformation, they began to come towards the light...

Interesting, no?

104 posted on 07/05/2011 11:24:59 AM PDT by BlueDragon (tonto he got smart said listenkimmosabe, kissmyass I boughtaboat, I'm headedout to sea)
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To: BlueDragon
"Some limited "freedom" to be under the rule of a pope,"

You can't have it both ways. You can't fight an open war against the Church and denounce its clergy, doctrines and dogma's and then whine like a little girl with a skinned knee when the Pope didn't include you in his flock.

Besides, like abortionists today, slavers and slave holders ignored the teachings of the Church and sought the refuge of a Church who would defend their wallets, not their souls.

105 posted on 07/05/2011 11:30:48 AM PDT by Natural Law (For God so loved the world He did not send a book.)
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To: Natural Law
Have it both ways? Whine like a little girl? Balderdash. ...statements like that, are just another in a recent run of exhibitions of projection I've seen on this very thread. It would be amusing if it were not so pathetic.

And what's with this "open war" declaration nonsense?

Any criticism, any pointing to the historical record which shows certain churchmen of old in a bad light, is now "open war"?

Ridiculous.

But typical. As soon as it goes successfully against certain pre-conceived notions, or the preferred whitewash of history --- the personal attacks begin.

Flame away. It's true to form. It's what is found (what is really "in" there) after scratching beneath the thin-skinned exterior. I see right through it.

Not impressed.

106 posted on 07/05/2011 11:47:35 AM PDT by BlueDragon (tonto he got smart said listenkimmosabe, kissmyass I boughtaboat, I'm headedout to sea)
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To: BlueDragon
"Interesting, no? "

No. Your mistake is seeing all human actions through the lens of your biases. By and large, the "Reformers" were dupes and pawns of the powerful and ambitious, the same group that had corrupted the Church with some success the previous 500 years. Luther took the inner debates of the Church public with the sponsorship of the German princes who saw him as a means to rejecting the authority of the Holy Roman Empire (often confused with the Church by the commoners) and in the process seizing considerable Church property and assets. The ensuing religious wars did nothing to advance the human condition for any of the parties involved except the landed rich.

107 posted on 07/05/2011 12:01:04 PM PDT by Natural Law (For God so loved the world He did not send a book.)
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To: Natural Law

More projection on your part. What of your own biases?

The simple fact of the matter is there was much change after the Reformation, both within religious organizations (of Western Europe) and in society in general, including philosophical thought. Which step-by-step helped lead the American Colonialists to break away from the claimed dominion of the King of England.

Such ideas of "dominion" had earlier been much supported by papal clergy (amongst others).

On this very forum, I've see adherents of one particular portion of Christian faith pining away for the old days, when kings and clergy ruled all.

This thread was about the 4th of July.

Try to stay on topic, would you?

108 posted on 07/05/2011 12:12:41 PM PDT by BlueDragon (tonto he got smart said listenkimmosabe, kissmyass I boughtaboat, I'm headedout to sea)
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To: BlueDragon
"And what's with this "open war" declaration nonsense?"

Perhaps you should read up on the Religious Wars of Europe arising from the Reformation before you make another stupid statement like that. Although religious warfare was fought almost continuously from 1560 until 1715 you should start with the 30 Years War and understand the concept of bellum se ipsum alit.

109 posted on 07/05/2011 12:21:06 PM PDT by Natural Law (For God so loved the world He did not send a book.)
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To: BlueDragon
"Such ideas of "dominion" had earlier been much supported by papal clergy (amongst others)."

Mark 12:17?

110 posted on 07/05/2011 12:22:00 PM PDT by Natural Law (For God so loved the world He did not send a book.)
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To: Natural Law

No, you accused ME of engaging in some sort of open war.

Your smokescreen whitewash statements/answers don't work with me.

Any reasonable discussion with you I'm finding is impossible due to this habit of yours to subtly shift/mix things. It may appeal to your own dishonest inner self, but it makes me wanna puke.

Go ahead, hit the abuse button. That's what you wanted, isn't it? To flame bait & personally attack enough to both deflect attention from justified criticism of that which you seem so desperate to protect, while getting to justify your own whining & complaining at the same time.

Ok, you win. You are the master here, of that form of deceit.

111 posted on 07/05/2011 12:31:58 PM PDT by BlueDragon (tonto he got smart said listenkimmosabe, kissmyass I boughtaboat, I'm headedout to sea)
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To: BlueDragon
"No, you accused ME of engaging in some sort of open war."

Drop the martyr complex and quit whining and posturing. Nobody believes or cares that you carry the emotional scars of your great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great grand daddy's suffering at the hands of the "popish hoards" you blather on about so often. I doubt that, beyond anonymously posting anti-Catholic screeds you have ever done any suffering or sacrificing for your faith or for the benefit of the millions aborted every year or who suffer at the hands of tyrants or predators.

And, for the record, I didn't accuse you of anything, unless you are now claiming to have been a non-Catholic slave not protected by the Popes' encyclicals.

112 posted on 07/05/2011 1:29:00 PM PDT by Natural Law (For God so loved the world He did not send a book.)
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To: BlueDragon
I'm not talking about what was the 'understanding', I gave you what Calvin himself wrote namely in Calvin's Institutes Obedience to bad kings required in Scripture. .....

For if it has pleased him to appoint kings over kingdoms and senates or burgomasters over free states, whatever be the form which he has appointed in the places in which we live, our duty is to obey and submit.

Calvin was pro-the divine rights of kings

The American Revolution's concept of liberty and freedom came from the ideas of the pagan Greeks rather than Calvin

113 posted on 07/05/2011 2:43:53 PM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: Natural Law; BlueDragon
....martyr complex....
....whining and posturing....
....you carry the emotional scars of your great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great grand daddy's suffering at the hands of the "popish hoards"....
....I doubt that....you have ever done any suffering or sacrificing for your faith....

And, for the record, I didn't accuse you of anything.

Spittake

114 posted on 07/05/2011 2:49:27 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed: he's hated on seven continents)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
who said I believed Washington became Catholic? We know definitely that Washington was baptised an Anglican and we know definitely that Gano never baptised Washington as a Baptist

Rupert Hughes, Washington's biographer researched this and says that Gano was with Clinton's army in Valley Forge or the Potomac and there is no documentation of Gano ever being at Valley Forge, that there is nothing in Gano's own correspondence or his biography to suggest that the event took place, and that none of the 42 reputed witnesses ever documented the event

it's not "Hughes testimony" rather the research which shows that

  1. Gano never stated he baptised Washington,
  2. Gano was in a different place in a different army at the time and
  3. none of the alleged witnesses ever documented the event

The entire story is a fake story made up. Washington was definitely not baptised a Baptist by Gano.

115 posted on 07/05/2011 2:51:16 PM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: Matchett-PI
The 55 Framers (from North to South):

I was speaking specifically of the Puritans who settled the NE, not the Framers who were a couple of generations later.

116 posted on 07/05/2011 2:51:28 PM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: MarkBsnr; Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
Mark -- you were right when you said Do you really think that our friends will be swayed by facts or reality or anything like that?

Even if it is conclusively proven to Titus that his interepretation of the Bible is incorrect or that the facts in his posts are false, it won't matter to that group

We know definitely that Washington was baptised an Anglican and we know definitely that Gano never baptised Washington as a Baptist

Rupert Hughes, Washington's biographer researched this and says that Gano was with Clinton's army in Valley Forge or the Potomac and there is no documentation of Gano ever being at Valley Forge, that there is nothing in Gano's own correspondence or his biography to suggest that the event took place, and that none of the 42 reputed witnesses ever documented the event

it's not "Hughes testimony" rather the research which shows that

  1. Gano never stated he baptised Washington,
  2. Gano was in a different place in a different army at the time and
  3. none of the alleged witnesses ever documented the event

The entire story is a fake story made up. Washington was definitely not baptised a Baptist by Gano.

117 posted on 07/05/2011 2:54:12 PM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: BlueDragon; Rashputin; MarkBsnr; Celtic Cross

Err.. read the article — “Calvinism in America” — now, I gave you adequate proof from Calvin’s own words that he supported the divine rights of kings and that it’s wrong to rebel against them


118 posted on 07/05/2011 2:57:58 PM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: BlueDragon; Rashputin; MarkBsnr; Celtic Cross

Are you talking of the new reformatters like John Smith or Charles Taze Russell or Ellen G White?


119 posted on 07/05/2011 2:58:21 PM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: BlueDragon; Rashputin; MarkBsnr; Celtic Cross
If not for the Reformation, there would doubtfully been the cultural climate in which the idea would have even been discussed.

Hardly -- Calvin believed in the divine power of kings, Luther supported the princes against the population. So, from a social point of view, the Reformatters had nothing to do with freedom at all

More to the point, the Puritans etc. in the colonies all wanted their own little territories and curtailed religious rights for others.

The American Revolutions ideas and ideals, like that of the French came from ancient Greece, from the pagan ideas of ancient Greece.

This was carried forward during the Napoleonic era, through to 1848 and the Russian Revolution to the 1960s..

120 posted on 07/05/2011 3:03:10 PM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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