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“Ignorance of the Scriptures is ignorance of Christ.” 
Jerome, c. 347-420

1 posted on 06/14/2011 5:26:38 PM PDT by Salvation
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This was left-aligned in the view.....sorry.


2 posted on 06/14/2011 5:28:03 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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14 posted on 06/14/2011 6:17:55 PM PDT by narses ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashions." Chesterton)
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Pretty much sums up The Mass.

CHAPTER LXV — ADMINISTRATION OF THE SACRAMENTS.

But we, after we have thus washed him who has been convinced and has assented to our teaching, bring him to the place where those who are called brethren are assembled, in order that we may offer hearty prayers in common for ourselves and for the baptized [illuminated] person, and for all others in every place, that we may be counted worthy, now that we have learned the truth, by our works also to be found good citizens and keepers of the commandments, so that we may be saved with an everlasting salvation. Having ended the prayers, we salute one another with a kiss. There is then brought to the president of the brethren bread and a cup of wine mixed with water; and he taking them, gives praise and glory to the Father of the universe, through the name of the Son and of the Holy Ghost, and offers thanks at considerable length for our being counted worthy to receive these things at His hands. And when he has concluded the prayers and thanksgivings, all the people present express their assent by saying Amen. This word Amen answers in the Hebrew language to genoito [so be it]. And when the president has given thanks, and all the people have expressed their assent, those who are called by us deacons give to each of those present to partake of the bread and wine mixed with water over which the thanksgiving was pronounced, and to those who are absent they carry away a portion.

CHAPTER LXVI — OF THE EUCHARIST.

And this food is called among us Eukaristia [the Eucharist], of which no one is allowed to partake but the man who believes that the things which we teach are true, and who has been washed with the washing that is for the remission of sins, and unto regeneration, and who is so living as Christ has enjoined. For not as common bread and common drink do we receive these; but in like manner as Jesus Christ our Saviour, having been made flesh by the Word of God, had both flesh and blood for our salvation, so likewise have we been taught that the food which is blessed by the prayer of His word, and from which our blood and flesh by transmutation are nourished, is the flesh and blood of that Jesus who was made flesh. For the apostles, in the memoirs composed by them, which are called Gospels, have thus delivered unto us what was enjoined upon them; that Jesus took bread, and when He had given thanks, said, “This do ye in remembrance of Me, this is My body;” and that, after the same manner, having taken the cup and given thanks, He said, “This is My blood;” and gave it to them alone.


17 posted on 06/14/2011 6:27:24 PM PDT by HighlyOpinionated (I am a US Citizen, A Patriot, A TEA Partier, An Oath Keeper, A Voter, An Auburn Fan!)
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Just as in their own lifetimes, the Fathers of the Church are bringing people to faith, to know and love Jesus, to accept Him and His church and to believe in salvation through His sacrifice.

How many protestant ministers who began reading the Fathers came home because of what they found?

The Holy Spirit works through them even today, hundreds of years after their death.


23 posted on 06/14/2011 7:42:37 PM PDT by Jvette
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Thanks for this thread and all the links. As Jesus told the Ephesian church in Revelation 2, "Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent and do the first works, or else I will come to you quickly and remove your lampstand from its place—unless you repent."
28 posted on 06/15/2011 6:45:13 AM PDT by Bed_Zeppelin
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Unfortunately, according to today’s Catholic and Orthodox churches, the fathers were ignoramuses whenever they endorsed a literal reading of Genesis because they were “men of their time.” On everything else they were experts, but on Genesis they were idiots.


30 posted on 06/15/2011 7:40:03 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu.)
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