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To: PetroniusMaximus
Oh no it don't.

“For God so loved THE WORLD" does not say For God so loved everyone in the world, now does it? Rather is means there are those from every tongue tribe and nation.

"but now he commands ALL PEOPLE everywhere to repent"

And those who do will be saved. Those who don't, well, we know how that will turn out.

the Bible and you will find out that God loves everyone and He wants them to be saved

All men or all men whom He chooses? If He want all men to be saved, why dis he harden the heart of Pharaoh? Why does He harden those who he desires? If you hold that he wants all to be saved and yet he hardens hearts and creates some to be vessels of wrath, well, you have fractured Scripture.

Best regards to your son! 8-)

38 posted on 06/13/2011 8:09:00 PM PDT by Gamecock (It's not eat drink and be merry because tommow we die, but rather because yesterday we were dead.)
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To: Gamecock

If you argue for the hateful god...


41 posted on 06/13/2011 8:39:27 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Gamecock

““For God so loved THE WORLD” does not say For God so loved everyone in the world, now does it?”

In the broader context of John, the “World” is the unsaved, darkened masses - those who are not God’s people. That’s who God loved... the “World” that hated Him and didn’t recognize him. To artificially break the “World” as John uses it, into two camps, the loved and the unloved, is to miss the entire shocking point.

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“And those who do will be saved. Those who don’t, well, we know how that will turn out.”

No argument from me.

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“All men or all men whom He chooses?”

It’s hard to miss this: “ALL PEOPLE EVERYWHERE”

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“If He want all men to be saved, why dis he harden the heart of Pharaoh? “

According to Romans 1, God hardens or “give over” those who have gone so far in sin that they are set in their course. They have had their chance. Their fate, by their own choice, has been sealed in this world. The are, “dead men walking”. God hardens them in their sin to us them as an example to others of His judgment on wickedness.

Show me in the Bible where God turns a righteous man to sin and hardens his heart! And why shouldn’t God do something like that - to show the extent of His sovereignty!?!? Guess what... it isn’t there.

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“If you hold that he wants all to be saved and yet he hardens hearts and creates some to be vessels of wrath, well, you have fractured Scripture. “

Following Paul’s reasoning in Romans, here’s a salient question for you... can a goat become a sheep?

If they can then your theology in fractured.


43 posted on 06/13/2011 8:45:08 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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