[Quix]

NO!

JESUS THE CHRIST,
CREATOR GOD HIMSELF

DELCARED

"IT IS WRITTEN . . . "

AS A POINT
!!!!OF AUTHORITY!!!!

MORE THAN
30 TIMES!


HOW MANY TIMES
Do RC's NEED
to
????GET THE POINT????

Paul emphasized
that the Bereans
GOT IT
2000 years ago!

CHRIST CREATOR GOD was standing there right in front of them--The Creator of all that is. AND HE referred NOT TO HIMSELF, NOT EVEN TO THE FATHER BUT TO SCRIPTURE AS THE ISSUE SETTLING AUTHORITY.

I honestly don't see how much plainer it could be--short of a burning bush experience declaring it bluntly so.

And yet, I can't recall a single RC on FR ever dealing with the facts of the above, much less the logic, context, implications. All we've gotten have been rationalizations and worse.

[presently no screen name]

"IT IS WRITTEN . . . " AS A POINT !!!!OF AUTHORITY!!!!

Where would that leave their men who crave authority with their bow and kiss the ring mentality and their demands on believing your confessor even when you don't want to.

There would be no Vatican/RCC if they believed God's Word as The Final Authority - they only exist to go against His Word and honor man. But the gates of hell shall not prevail against His Church based on Who He is - the Messiah, the Son of the living God, The Word, alone.

[Cronos]

The Bereans -- ah, now that is a good point, did you know that the Bereans rejected Sola scriptura?

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The Bereans as an example of the errors of Sola Scriptura	The Bereans Acts 17:11 "... received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.[1]", and many of them believed. --> these "scriptures" were the Septuagint only and maybe the Gospel of Mark and Matthew. The Gospel of John wouldn't be written for some more decades, and Acts hadn't been written yet, and neither any of the epistles. So, in short, these folks were OT alone -- and nothing else. Is that only what's in your bible? Furthermore, context, context, context, read the preceeding and following lines 10 As soon as it was night, the believers sent Paul and Silas away to Berea. On arriving there, they went to the Jewish synagogue. 11 Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true. 12 As a result, many of them believed, as did also a number of prominent Greek women and many Greek men. So, they did rely on a man's word initially -- two men, Paul and Silas who spread the Good News amongs them. Then they checked the OT to see if the references to the Christ were correct. And also, the Berean Church included GREEKS -- who wouldn't have read the scriptures as they were not of Jewish origin, they took the Gospel for what Paul and Silas preached, tradition alone, not scripture. Furthermore, note what happened before -- in Thessalonia. There, "For three weeks he [Paul] reasoned with them from the Scriptures" --> THESE THESALLONIANS were sola scriptura folks who disagreed with Paul and Silas' interpretation of scriptures (the OT) on the Christ. Remember, both the Thesalonians in the passages before this and the Bereans were Jews who studied the OT for the references of Jesus being the Christ. Why did they study this? because of the ORAL TRADITION that Paul and Silas brought, claiming Jesus Christ was the Son of God. The Thesalonians rejected this as "it weren't in scripture, sola scriptura", while the Bereans accepted Holy Tradition, i.e. ORAL teaching by Paul and Silas. if anything, the tale of the Bereans shows the error of SOLA scriptura.
The Thesalonians	The key point about the jealousy of the Thesalonians is this: along with a large number of the God-fearing Greeks and a number of the leading women It's clear that that was the reason for the "jealousy" -- yet also note that only "some" of the Jews were persuaded -- the others rejected the ORAL Gospel as being outside scripture. These were the early sola-scriptura-types. In contrast we have the Bereans who accepted non-SCRIPTURA information, namely the ORAL Gospel --> something that the sola-scriptura folks of today would reject.
The Bereans	As this article posted by bkaycee says The Bereans, on the other hand, were not adherents of sola scriptura, for they were willing to accept Paul's new oral teaching as the word of God (as Paul claimed his oral teaching was; see 1 Thess. 2:13). The Bereans, before accepting the oral word of God from Paul, a tradition as even Paul himself refers to it (see 2 Thess. 2:15), examined the Scriptures to see if these things were so. They were noble-minded precisely because they "received the word with all eagerness." Were the Bereans commended primarily for searching the Scriptures? No. Their open-minded willingness to listen was the primary reason they are referred to as noble-minded-not that they searched the Scriptures. A perusal of grammars and commentaries makes it clear that they were "noble-minded" not for studying Scripture, but for treating Paul more civilly than did the Thessalonians with an open mind and generous courtesy (see I. Howard Marshall, "The Acts of the Apostles" in the Tyndale New Testament Commentaries [Grand Rapids, Michigan: Eerdmans, 1981], 5:280). And, as the article posted by bkaycee itself points out From the perspective of sola scriptura types, the Thessalonians would have been more noble-minded, for they loyally stuck to their canon of Scripture alone and rejected any additional binding authority (spoken or written) from the mouth of an apostle. In fact, at the Council of Jamnia, around A.D. 90, the Jews determined that anything written after Ezra was not infallible Scripture; they specifically mentioned the Gospels of Christ in order to reject them.

[Cronos]

quix: TO SCRIPTURE AS THE ISSUE SETTLING AUTHORITY.

yet, you, Quix, say "Christ said lots of things that were NOT EnScripturated and not intended to be—2,000 years ago AND SINCE."

So, you believe "Christ said lots of things that were NOT EnScripturated and not intended to be—2,000 years ago AND SINCE." and you contradict yourself here? Why?

[Cronos]

quix: TO SCRIPTURE AS THE ISSUE SETTLING AUTHORITY.

yet, you, Quix, say "Christ said lots of things that were NOT EnScripturated and not intended to be—2,000 years ago AND SINCE. Truth from Christ is still truth from Christ"

So, you believe "Christ said lots of things that were NOT EnScripturated and not intended to be—2,000 years ago AND SINCE. Truth from Christ is still truth from Christ" and you contradict yourself here? Why?

[Cronos]

To quix

Romans 11:8 as it is written: “God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes that could not see and ears that could not hear, to this very day.”
Exactly – this perfectly describes those who refuse to acknowledge Christ’s words about baptism for the remission of sins   Acts 2:38, 38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Acts 22:16; 16 And now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on his name. Rom. 6:1–4; 1 What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3 Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life. 1 Cor 6:11, 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God 1 Cor 12:13; 13 For we were all baptized by[a] one Spirit so as to form one body—whether Jews or Gentiles, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.

[Cronos]

And, for someone who's so interested in "TO SCRIPTURE AS THE ISSUE SETTLING AUTHORITY." how come you hold to Jesse Ventura's heresies and say that Jesse teaches the Pentecostal Christian faith?

how can anyone support Benny Hinn's numerous blasphemies and false teachings and still believe that Benny teaches the Christian faith?

[Titanites]

CHRIST CREATOR GOD was standing there right in front of them--The Creator of all that is. AND HE referred NOT TO HIMSELF, NOT EVEN TO THE FATHER BUT TO SCRIPTURE AS THE ISSUE SETTLING AUTHORITY. I honestly don't see how much plainer it could be--short of a burning bush experience declaring it bluntly so. And yet, I can't recall a single RC on FR ever dealing with the facts of the above, much less the logic, context, implications. All we've gotten have been rationalizations and worse.

But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector.

The church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

For God is not the author of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints.

He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

[Titanites]

AND HE referred NOT TO HIMSELF, NOT EVEN TO THE FATHER BUT TO SCRIPTURE AS THE ISSUE SETTLING AUTHORITY

Here're some more, in addition to those I posted previously:

Let every person be subordinate to the higher authorities, for there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been established by God. Therefore, whoever resists authority opposes what God has appointed, and those who oppose it will bring judgment upon themselves."

Obey your leaders and defer to them, for they keep watch over you

So that the manifold wisdom of God might now be made known through the church to the principalities and authorities in the heavens.

We belong to God, and anyone who knows God listens to us, while anyone who does not belong to God refuses to hear us. This is how we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of deceit.