Did Mary Have Other Children?

Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry ^ | Unknown | Matt Slick

[D-fendr]

Hi BB,

From those you mention, we see canned text accusation repeated countless times also.

They have been refuted, with reason and facts by patient posters many many times.

Even debunked, here come the same canned accusations.

After a long while, we shouldn’t be surprised to see responses and attacks in kind.

thanks for your post.

[boatbums]

bb is a 'she' ;-P, but yeah, the posts that alternately whine about 'ooh, personal attacks' and then a post that launches one is pretty hypocritical It's like the maroon who talks about extra-biblical stuff and then says "oh, it's ok -- as long as it's one of my song-and-dance pastors" Sheesh, these B-A'er groups like boatbums's fall under their own contradictions.

Translation: "That's right, boatbums is a woman, and you know how we regard women...wink, wink." Misogyny is alive and well amongst the RF Catholic Coalition. Except of course where the Blessed Mother is concerned, that's different.

[MarkBsnr]

Translation: "That's right, boatbums is a woman, and you know how we regard women...wink, wink."

Colleen is 4'11" and 105 pounds, and I am 6'5" and 235 pounds and unless she is firmly and squarely on a reasonably tall pedestal neither of us are happy. :)

[boatbums]

Well, I am glad to hear you respect your wife. I hope it also extends to her thoughts. I would hope her opinions and comments are counted as relevant and important as your own.

[MarkBsnr]

Well, I am glad to hear you respect your wife. I hope it also extends to her thoughts. I would hope her opinions and comments are counted as relevant and important as your own.

Think of a Jewish marriage...

[Quix]

Fitting observations, imho.

Hmmmmmmmmm

independent thinking . . .

Hmmmmmmm

last I checked . . . there are certain basic requirements necessary

to achieve that level of functioning.

However, scrolling on by is a small price to pay if it keeps some folks off the streets.

[Cronos]

goml — you can ignore the “Biblical unitarian’s” posts — the unitarians use “Bahble Bleavin” to justify their points for Universal Unitarianism — and you know what that means (basically nothing!)

[Cronos]

So, do I take it that you’re going to stop cribbing about “making personal remarks” seeing as your posts do exactly that?

[Cronos]

Neither did I know a lot of things about our Lutheran or Anglican brethern until there were good, conservative Lutherans who pointed it out to me.

The Lutherans believe in the True/Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, they believe in baptism for the remission of sins, they even believe in Holy Penance as a sacrament (but don't practise it much* -- this requires a longer explanation) -- they are much, much closer to us in orthodoxy just as are the traditional anglicans (the anglo-Catholics are even closer).

These beliefs are diametrically opposite from the Presbyterians and Pentecostals (note to mention the do-it-yourself-churchers and Unitarians) that comprise the FR anti-Catholic crowd.

In fact the Presbyterians and Pentecostals are at diametrically opposite ends of the spectrum --- Presbyterianism removed the joy and spontaneity and the deep sense of wonder that is in the mass and just took the 2nd reading (skipping the gospels and old testament) -- and took that to an extreme. Pentecostalism was an adverse reaction to that and they went to the other extreme.

In the meanwhile, even Luther and Calvin realised that they had opened floodgates when first people disbelieved in Mary's perpetual virginity (which L and C believed in) and then disbelieved in Mary's virginity and finally ended up as unitarians believing that Jesus was not God -- Luther and Calvin and Zwingli had synods to cut these off as they knew the anarchy this would entail. And we see the anarchy now...

[Cronos]

pnsm: There is one faith - the faith of God.

MB: Which faith is that? The faith of Luther? Calvin? Zwingli? Amee Semple Macpherson? Joseph Smith? The faith that you came up with last night while gazing fondly in the mirror?

pnsm: Mark, your response doesn't even rise to the level of Darwin Award or blond joke category - it's that pathetic.

Ah, Mark -- you see, only us Christians (whether Catholic or lutheran or anglican or PResbyterian or Pentecostal etc.) say out loudly that Jesus Christ is Lord, God and Savior. the non-Christian groups don't

[Cronos]

But, good questions, Mark — the crypto-Moslems or Unitarian Universalists don’t want to talk about what they believe, rather to attack Christian belief.

[Quix]

NOR
AS A LEVER
TO DISPENSE SPIRITUAL WISDOM
. . .
particularly, seeing as how
The Vatican Cult has none to dispense!

As to Vatican Cultists
refuting Proddy points
--in your fantasies only--
Actually, the most charitable comment is:

[Cronos]

The problem is that your group thinks that just song and dance and trying desperately to ignore the abyss that stares it in the face will help the sect forget the hollowness and incompleteness of its man-made philosophy

While your sect takes something from the Bible, it leaves out a lot, while it takes one extreme of joy, it leaves out the reflection, while it takes the mystery it leaves out the solemnity. It doesn't accept the inexorable, rather ignores it

As I've said before, your sect fails because be just song and dance without detailed, deep study is as bad as to be dry text without the joy. The balance is lost, the tying force that brings the loss of fear of the inexorable abyss is gone in both of these extremes and they lead to despair in one and delusion in the other.Remember that the main problem in the philosophy of your sect is the separation or compartmentalisation of God and of His worship -- it is not this OR that, but this AND that.

[Cronos]

Besides, BB, you can ask Quix yourself if he believes that Jesse, the demonic-possesed con-man Duplantis preaches “the basics of the Pentecostal faith” or not.

[Cronos]

Quix, you were talking of When did SUPER CRASS

become a RELIGIOUS DUTY OF OBLIGATION

i dunno -- probably you can ask these guys

Remember, Jesse noted the following new revelation of Jesse about heaven

1. "Some people don't live close to God the way they should. They know Jesus as their Savior, but they could do so much better. In heaven they will eventually be able to go to God’s Throne, but it takes more time for them." -- interesting, even in heaven?

2. "They almost got there; then they stopped, turned around and had to go back. It seemed as if they were depressed. I heard someone say, "There is no depression here. Just eat of the Tree of Life, smell the leaves for healing and let your spirit grow. You shall stand at the Throne of God."" --> interesting, the sanctification process isn't completed in heaven?

3. David tells Jesse "I think I should have allowed more of the answer to come through, instead of the complaining. " --> oh, so Jesse thinks that scripture is NOT inspired, but what David allowed to come through? -- what unbiblical words from hell spoken by the demonic possessed fraud Jesse Duplantis

4. "I didn’t know before how much He needed me to reach out to other people. I have always thought of how much I needed Him, not how much He needs me. . .He smiled at me and said, "I chose you. No one else wanted you, and I need you Jesse." --> ego surfing!

Oh, wait, don't you defend Benny's 9 gods by saying Quix: "Many folks assume that because Benny Hinn doesn't fit our notions of integrity and a lot of other truly very important factors--GOD SIMPLY COULD NOT AND WOULD NOT EVER USE HIM IN ANY WAY FOR ANY REASON IN ANY CONTEXT." or If God chooses to use Benny, that’s God’s business.

And for Jesse the demonic con-man what little I’ve watched of Jesse has been edifying. He is exceedingly Biblical—way above average, imho.

And the winnah!!

Quix: Jesse believes in the basic Biblical doctrines of evangelical Pentecostal Christianity

really???

[Cronos]

I asked you

1. Now, did you know that there are such things as cases?
2. Genitive, Locative, Nominative, Dative, Vocative, Instrumental and Accusative?
3. Do you know any language that has gender assigned to inanimate words like rock, chair, bridge, etc.?

Which you didn't answer -- but never mind, your silence speaketh. I would advise learning another language -- you may not become fluent or even intermediate level in it, but it will show you that a lot of what we think is driven by the language(s) we think in -- English lacks preciseness in many ways and other languages which use cases are highly complex

The problem occurs when one reads something in English translated from another language and doesn't realise that hte other language pictures it differently.

So, do try to learn another language -- not Spanish which is too easy, but try German or Italian (which is also easy but has better phonetics and grammar challenges imho). If you really want to broaded your mind, try a language that doesn't use the Latin script or try a non-Indo-European language

[Cronos]

And thanks for reminding us Quix that “proddy” only refers to your particular cult. The mainstream of conservative, religious Protestants reject the demonic Benny Hinn and Jesse Duplantis among others.

[getoffmylawn]

That was a truthful summary of the posts I’ve been reading here for years. It wasn’t a rant.

[D-fendr]

For example.. with more of the same canned repetitive reason-free insults.

[Quix]

DOODNESS.

I must be slipping.

I should redouble my efforts.