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To: jiminycricket000
Mary is God's creation, a human being, period. And Catholics do NOT worship Mary, if they did I'd leave the Church. Catholics pray to Mary only to ask her to pray for them, as the mother of Jesus Christ, God incarnate.

I'm thinkin' the idea is to gain credibility...When you make statements like this around here, you're not gaining any ground...Numerous times info from different sources have been posted by from Catholics and from offical sites that show us people DO pray to Mary and ask her to provide everything from salvation to miracles...

Is the Virgin Mary dead, or alive in Heaven without the ability to hear our pleas and prayers? Impossible. The people in Heaven are more alive than you and I, and can most certainly hear our petitions, just as our heavenly Guardian Angels hear us.

Where did you learn that...Certainly not from God's scripture...

Sorry for butting into a debate without knowing who's saying what. But I gleaned enough to see that somebody thinks Catholic 'worship' the ever Virgin Mary, mother of Jesus Christ, mother of God. If the Protestants think they can seperate Jesus' humanity from His divinity, they are nothing but self appointed "popes"

Nope...We are bible believers who can read...We are not however followers of the Pied Piper...

Our Lord Jesus Christ is both man and God at once. The Apostle Thomas knew this when he fell to his knees before Jesus and said: "My Lord and my God".

When Thomas said this, he was speaking to the risen Jesus who had and has a glorified body...Not the same body he had while he roamed the earth...That body died and was changed...All those effeminate paintings you guys have around of Jesus won't help you recognize him when you see him...We have no idea what he will appear as when we see him...

2,080 posted on 06/11/2011 7:39:36 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool
All those effeminate paintings you guys have around of Jesus won't help you recognize him when you see him...We have no idea what he will appear as when we see him...
I disagree on that point as this painting was instructed *by* Christ Himself to be painted as such, when He appeared to Sister Faustina, and said:
“Paint an Image according to the pattern you see with the signature: Jesus, I trust in You… I promise that the soul that will venerate this Image will not perish. I also promise victory over its enemies already here on earth, especially at the hour of death. I, Myself will defend it as my own glory (47, 48)…I am offering people a vessel with which they are to keep coming for grace to the Fountain of Mercy (Confession). That vessel is this Image with the Signature ‘Jesus, I Trust in You.’ ” (Diary 327) Link
Sister Faustina was not completely happy with the painting as it was not as beautiful as Jesus appeared, but Jesus said to her:
“Not in the beauty of the color, nor of the brush is the greatness of this image, but in My grace."
So we *do* have an idea of what Christ looks like.
2,098 posted on 06/11/2011 9:12:55 AM PDT by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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To: Iscool; jiminycricket000

Of course, we Christians (Catholics, Orthodox, Lutherans,etc) believe that God is three hypostases but of one substance. We don’t believe that God is three modes, all spirit only — this denies the Incarnation and the Sacrifice. Why would you believe this? it’s a serious question


2,157 posted on 06/11/2011 3:07:33 PM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrząszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego słynie.)
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To: Iscool; jiminycricket000; OpusatFR
iscool: Not the same body he had while he roamed the earth

Then why do you think He offered St. Thomas to poke his fingers in the stigmata?

2,158 posted on 06/11/2011 3:09:13 PM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrząszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego słynie.)
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To: Iscool
"Numerous times info from different sources have been posted by from Catholics and from offical sites that show us people DO pray to Mary and ask her to provide everything from salvation to miracles..."

And who, pray tell, are these "numerous, different (Catholic) sources"? Are they bonafide Catholic theologians with doctorates in theology? Or are they just some Catholic "freepers" who are ignorant of their faith? (There are many of these today). And there are many ridiculous, absurd and foul "Catholic" sources of information out there on the web. There is but one official 'source' of Catholic doctrine, and it is called the Magisterium. If any teaching on Catholic doctrine contradicts the Magisterium, then that teaching is in error, period.

No Catholic who knows his/her faith prays to Mary as anything other than a glorious, though merely human, intercessor for us when she unites her prayers with our own and whispers them to God, and hence God hears both us, and his Blessed Mother, praying for our assistance or personal intention.

Prots have their "prayer groups", where Bull Henderson, Paul Smith, Norma Jenkins and Bertha Sanford pray for somebody. That's all well and good, but if given the choice I'd prefer to have the Virgin Mary, Mother of God Incarnate, pray for me. Her influence with God, like it or not, is far superior than YOURS. Until YOU are chosen to give birth to the saviour of mankind, you need to keep the pie hole closely monitored by common sense and 2,000 years of Christian history.

It was Jesus' mother who, in fact, spurred Him to perform His very first miracle, at the wedding at Cana. They ran out of wine and Jesus did not care, or do anything about it. Then His mother interceded, and said the servants: "Do whatever He tells you". And wallah, water was instantly turned into wine, thannks to Mary's intercession. At that moment Jesus did indeed obey His mother's request, as a living symbol of the fifth Commandment "Honor Thy Mother and Father".

Furthermore, the Blessed Virgin Mary can indeed perform miracles, but not of her own power, but of God's power. God gave the Apostles, and even some of their followers, the power to perform miracles. Why would he leave His own mother, whom He chose from all time to be His mother, out of the business of miracles?

2,171 posted on 06/11/2011 7:19:01 PM PDT by jiminycricket000
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